Joseph M Pankiewicz, you are a disgrace to this hobby!

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I have really come to think that there is a large group of collectors that don't care at all if the card has been altered as long as it "numbers."

Better late than never. What was it Dennis Purdy called PSA in his classic early 1990s screed in VCBC, a smoke detector without batteries?

[ElCabron]

I agree with Joe. Some people are unbelievable scumbags and outrageous criminals. Right, Joe? Back me up here, Joe. Hello? Joe???

-Ryan

[ullmandds]

How about...."people do the darnedest things?"

[T206Collector]

I think we should have a poll as to what the defense will be:

1. I should be rewarded for exposing the cracks in TPG.

2. Nothing I did was fraudulent, deceptive, or otherwise illegal.

3. I dropped the cards in a jar of Lena Blackburne's Rubbing Mud and upon brushing them off realized through none of my own intent that the cards were sharper and shinier.

4. You want answers? You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I think we should have a poll as to what the defense will be:

1. I should be rewarded for exposing the cracks in TPG.

2. Nothing I did was fraudulent, deceptive, or otherwise illegal.

3. I dropped the cards in a jar of Lena Blackburne's Rubbing Mud and upon brushing them off realized through none of my own intent that the cards were sharper and shinier.

4. You want answers? You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

It takes a lot to make me laugh but this did it

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Let me grab my bag of popcorn...

Z Wheat

Originally Posted by ZachS

Just catching up on this. Looks like we got some pretty good detectives here. Now I'm anxiously awaiting the response.

Who has the popcorn?

I brought plenty, and am happy to share.



I am having some kettle corn tonight. Yummy.

Originally Posted by Texxxx

I dont have to work since I broke my hand in three places last week so this sound like a good place to sit back and read.

Sorry to hear about your hand, Bruce. I broke my left leg in three places end of June. Maybe we can convince Leon to put a couple comfy chairs up front for us. I have a feeling this thread is going to go on for a long while. Either that, or it will collapse into itself like a black hole.

[ZachS]

Just catching up on this. Looks like we got some pretty good detectives here. Now I'm anxiously awaiting the response.

Who has the popcorn?

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Better late than never. What was it Dennis Purdy called PSA in his classic early 1990s screed in VCBC, a smoke detector without batteries?

Yup. I have been plugging through the back run I bought a couple months ago and serendipitously began issue #23 last night. It has an article by Keith Olbermann about a grading gone terribly wrong titled "Slab This!!" and is as relevant today as it was in 2000 when it was published. I leave with you with the last paragraph.

"There is only one solution, and that is to presume that every card sealed in a plastic container has been altered, and, however innocently, pronounced authentic and original, nonetheless. In short, don't buy a slabbed card. Ever. Ever."

[glchen]

Originally Posted by conor912

Yup. I have been plugging through the back run I bought a couple months ago and serendipitously began issue #23 last night. It has an article by Keith Olbermann about a grading gone terribly wrong titled "Slab This!!" and is as relevant today as it was in 2000 when it was published. I leave with you with the last paragraph.

"There is only one solution, and that is to presume that every card sealed in a plastic container has been altered, and, however innocently, pronounced authentic and original, nonetheless. In short, don't buy a slabbed card. Ever. Ever."

But Olbermann has bought slabbed cards ....

[conor912]

Originally Posted by glchen

But Olbermann has bought slabbed cards ....

I believe he bought the Wagner before this particular debacle. I can not speak to what he has bought and sold since.

[T206Collector]

I'm just piecing some things together -- wasn't all of this vetted a year ago on the CU Board? What, if any, was the resolution there?

The most I could find was here:

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I'm just piecing some things together -- wasn't all of this vetted a year ago on the CU Board? What, if any, was the resolution there?

The most I could find was here:

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

That thread was deleted by the CU mods. There was more to the thread than your link provides. Probstein first replied and inferred that Joe P was one of many dealers that visits Probstein's operation in person to view the cards either before or while they're on auction and that's how he gets his bumps - he's basically cherry picking them. Probstein later replied in the thread that he was banning his eBay username (pank21) and would no longer accept consignments from him...which we know is not true.

[whitehse]

Going back and re-reading posts at CU is like looking at Swiss cheese. They have gutted so many posts over there that it is virtually impossible to get the full meaning of any thread on that board. Deleted posts within threads, altogether deleted threads and members being banned for petty reasons have really caused that board to be a shadow of it's former self along with any good amount of information that it might have ever produced.

That is why I enjoy this board. Nothing is ever deleted and it is all there for anyone to see at any time.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That thread was deleted by the CU mods. There was more to the thread than your link provides. Probstein first replied and inferred that Joe P was one of many dealers that visits Probstein's operation in person to view the cards either before or while they're on auction and that's how he gets his bumps - he's basically cherry picking them. Probstein later replied in the thread that he was banning his eBay username (pank21) and would no longer accept consignments from him...which we know is not true.

Here are the pages to that thread in numerical order:

PLEASE NOTE: If you find this thread of interest for posterity, I would recommend doing a "Save As" on your browser for each page to save it on your hard drive, since these hidden threads will also disappear once certain parties find out they are being viewed again.

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...entid=10134480