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[conor912]

Originally Posted by Leon

And actually, if someone trimmed a card, got it numerically graded, and then sold it..... it certainly would/could be fraud.

For the life of me, I don't, nor have I ever, understood this statement. At some point, either in a collector's lifetime or not, these cards will get sold. Therefore, according to this logic, altering a card at any point is condemning someone (whoever that end seller may be) to a fraudulent act.

Therefore, the argument for it to be ok to alter a card that you (not you, Leon, but anyone) intend to keep is bogus.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by conor912

For the life of me, I don't, nor have I ever, understood this statement. At some point, either in a collector's lifetime or not, these cards will get sold. Therefore, according to this logic, altering a card at any point is condemning someone (whoever that end seller may be) to a fraudulent act.

Therefore, the argument for it to be ok to alter a card that you (not you, Leon, but anyone) intend to keep is bogus.

Not at all.

I have a few cards that are trimmed. One T206 was at one point rather tall. I'm positive it wouldn't have fit the pages available in the 80's. In fact, it's still too tall despite being trimmed. I'm sure that it was trimmed so it wouldn't stick out of the page too far. That was both common and unfortunate. (And more common on E90-1s)

But I bought the card as trimmed.
The trimming is really obvious.
Someday when I replace it, I'll sell it as trimmed. Perhaps in an "A" holder, perhaps not.

No fraud.

Now if some future buyer re-trims it and sells it without disclosure, or does it well enough to pass a grading company, that's a problem.
The key is in the representation.

Steve B