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[ullmandds]

From what I've seen...and experienced...if you have a card with a defect(condition, alteration, etc)...you will more often than not get a higher grade with PSA. I believe this to be fact!

So who is to blame...the submitter? The grading company? Or the buyer for continuing to pay higher prices for subpar cards in PSA holders?

[travrosty]

The grading company, they are suppose to detect alterations, it's their job and it's what they claim to be able to do, so they need to do it or don't claim it anymore.

[DixieBaseball]

I have crossed over about 15-20 cards over the years and I have never been the benefactor of a grade bump that I recall. In fact, of the 20+ cards or so I have cracked out of holder's and submitted raw, about 25% of them have gone up a grade. Perfect example is at the National I submit 3 graded pre-war cards to PSA and all 3 come back a half a grade lower. As a "small guy" I would highly recommend you submit raw if you look for a bump. For me, I put certain pre-war cards in SGC and PSA holder's for different reasons and I leave some raw for various reasons. I do believe the folks submitting in bulk get preferential treatment and there is absolutely no consistency in the industry. I prefer raw, but do put certain types in holders for protection/presentation reasons.

[Rollingstone206]

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[D.P.Johnson]

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who the buyer is (gpark73) even if Rick won't divulge the information. I mean, if someone contacts one of the other sellers he's purchased from, they'll probably give up the person's contact information...

Just sayin'....

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who the buyer is (gpark73) even if Rick won't divulge the information.

I dont know who he is, but I think the OP may have some information that he's holding back until the time is right. I do know this, gpark73 is from New Jersey. Let's see, who else is from New Jersey?

Funny how Probstein sells all these cards, they magically get bumps and then re-appear back in his auctions. Hmmmm....

[ullmandds]

I grew up in new jersey...SGC is in new jersey...the garden state?!

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I dont know who he is, but I think the OP may have some information that he's holding back until the time is right. I do know this, gpark73 is from New Jersey. Let's see, who else is from New Jersey?

Funny how Probstein sells all these cards, they magically get bumps and then re-appear back in his auctions. Hmmmm....

I hear ya brother.
It would be interesting to see what address all these purchases are being shipped to...I think that would solve a lot of the mystery...

[D.P.Johnson]

Also....I believe that altering cards is considered fraud, so someone could theorectically contact the local D.A. in Jersey...Someone there might be bored enough to look into it...

[Theo_450]

I think the flip was doctored. Why is there no decimal in the half grade

8.5...

8 5 .......

[Leon]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Also....I believe that altering cards is considered fraud, so someone could theorectically contact the local D.A. in Jersey...Someone there might be bored enough to look into it...

ALTERING cards is not fraud. Altering and then saying they aren't, is fraud. It's a slippery slope and I abhor the altering (major altering) that goes on. However, if I trim a card and then submit it to any grading company, and they numerically holder it, I have not committed fraud. The grading company has made a mistake...and unless they KNEW it was altered and still graded it numerically, they didn't commit fraud either. I am not a lawyer but I think fraud generally has to do with deception. And you won't be prosecuted in our hobby, generally speaking, for being incompetent.

And for the record I have been told, by respected sources, that most authorities aren't jumping at baseball card trimming/altering cases. That being said, I wish they were and I wish fraudsters would get a heavier hand than they seem to.