The T206 "Elite Eight" have become the "Elite Eleven"

[Craig M]

I love it Ted!

...so tell me, what recent turn of events led you to include the new three?

Craig

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Craig M

I love it Ted!

...so tell me, what recent turn of events led you to include the new three?

Craig

Hi Craig

The Schaefer & Spencer were suspected back in 2006 when we were doing a survey in Barry Arnold's EPDG thread. Art Mrtineau responded to that
survey indicating that Schaefer very likely belonged to this Elite group.

I was monitoring Spencer in the survey. But, for whatever reasons which I cannot recall, both of these subjects were discontinued from the survey.

Anyhow, to answer your question, it was recently brought to my attention that it is evident that Schaefer, Shaw, and Spencer are only found with
the ususl complement of 150 series backs.....and, the PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG backs. But, not with SOVEREIGN 350, nor SWEET CAP 350, nor any
other 350-type back.

This fact is based on empirical data gleaned from a huge T206 survey of 100,000+ cards.


TED Z

[Craig M]

Tim...you said "selfishly holding back"...

That could not be further from the truth; it's called being smart.

I would like to thank you, Ted and the countless others that continue to pour your heart and soul into T206 research. It amazes me that it's been over 100 years and secrets about T206 are still being revealed.

To witness this in my lifetime is a very special day for sure and I look forward to more reveals.

"gratias tibi"

Craig

[tedzan]

The following info provides the status of 10 of these ballplayers during the time period of April 1909 >> 1910 season which may well explain why these guys
were "short-circuited" with respect to the usual full complement of 350-type backs (as are typical of most of the other T206's in the 150/350 series group).







Note
The timeline of the transitional status of these 10 player's is approximately concurrent with American Lithographic's start-up of printing their 350 cards.
Of which the PIEDMONT brand was printed first.


Bill Dahlen...............Oct 27, 1909....signed by Brooklyn

Bob Ewing...............Jan 10, 1910....traded tp the Phillies

Bob Ganley..............May 18, 1909....traded to Philadelphia A's

Tom Jones...............Aug 20, 1909....traded to Detroit

Ed Karger................June 9, 1909.....sold to St. Paul Saints (American Association)
.............................July 26, 1909....traded to Boston (AL)

Vive Lindaman..........July 7, 1909....Major League career ends

Carl Lundgren...........Apr 23, 1909....Major League career ends

Germany Schaefer.....Aug 13, 1909....traded to Washington

Al Shaw..................1910....played with Wichita Jobbers (Western League)

Tubby Spencer.........1910....played with St. Paul Saints (American Association)


Needless to say....the PIEDMONT 350 cards and the EPDG cards of these 12 - T206's are very rare and will usually sell for a premium.

Unless, of course, you are lucky to find any of them selling for a common price. I don't think that will occur with the Lundgren card

Questions are welcomed, and appreciated.


TED Z

[g_vezina_c55]

Interresting thread Ted

THX

[wonkaticket]

Good stuff Ted.

[atx840]

Ted, I believe these 9 are also no prints with Sov350, t206resource has them as possible-not confirmed.

19 Barger, Cy Rochester
101 Collins, Jimmy Minneapolis
164 Evans, Steve St. Louis Nat'l
192 Gray, Dolly Washington
197 Groom, Bob Washington
309 Mattern, Al Boston Nat'l
326 McLean, Larry Cincinnati
399 Puttman, Ambrose Louisville
436 Shannon, Spike Kansas City