Whats Your Most Interesting Card?

[CW]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff that is very strange. How to explain ten cards with exactly the same printing quirk that doesnt seem to be on any other 14 cobb from quick research? The explanation that comes immediately to mind isnt good of course but maybe there are other theories.

I referenced this printing issue in my post with all the Cobbs together. While it is strange (or for this thread, interesting) to see this issue with every card, it is not uncommon to see the same printing flaw across multiple cards -- this happens many times in the hobby.

Also, while not common, it is also not the first time I've seen the red ink bleed into the border of a Cracker Jack card. I could not find any images with a quick search, but I did see this anomaly mentioned in this article.

Andy Montero, another passionate Cracker Jack collector, agrees. He adds that the red background on the card fronts sometimes bleeds into the lighter colored borders. The most common condition issue, however, is staining from being packaged with the caramel snack.

[calvindog]

Chuck, for what it's worth, the cards looked good to me and I really have not much doubt about it. The peculiarity for me was the identical printing flaw in every card in those lots -- which all had been graded at the same time as well. Strange.

[Bpm0014]

One of my more interesting cards. Ambrose Puttman. I was told last week at the Pittsburgh show that it indeed does look like a factory mistake that somehow slipped through the cracks. I'm still unsure, but I'll go with it...

[brianp-beme]

It looks more like evidence at a crime scene...perhaps they can test for DNA and hopefully corner the perp.

Brian

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

One of my more interesting cards. Ambrose Puttman. I was told last week at the Pittsburgh show that it indeed does look like a factory mistake that somehow slipped through the cracks. I'm still unsure, but I'll go with it...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

I referenced this printing issue in my post with all the Cobbs together. While it is strange (or for this thread, interesting) to see this issue with every card, it is not uncommon to see the same printing flaw across multiple cards -- this happens many times in the hobby.

Also, while not common, it is also not the first time I've seen the red ink bleed into the border of a Cracker Jack card. I could not find any images with a quick search, but I did see this anomaly mentioned in this article.

Do we know if the other CJs in the collection had the same issue?

[ephus]

I think this one is pretty interesting. Dockman and Sons produced cards of boats, soldiers, animals, and baseball players. If you look at the back of this card, you see a checklist for animals.




When you turn the card over, you would expect to see a lion, zebra or a monkey. You would be very surprised to see what is there.....Honus Wagner.



PS, the T205 Cobb from the first part of the thread, I sold it to you several years ago. It's nice to know you still remember the story. It is a beautiful card.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do we know if the other CJ's in the collection had the same issue?

Peter - Here are some of the other cards from that auction. I son't see the same bleeding on the other cards but what is interesting is how the WaJo's have the same green dot on them.

Chuck - there is the missing 11th Cobb. Lot 541.

Ephus - Way cool Wagner there. And yep, I still remember the story. I thought then, and still do, that it was pretty cool to know that I was the 2nd or 3rd owner of a card.

Here are some pics

[Hankphenom]

Here's mine:

[CW]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Chuck, for what it's worth, the cards looked good to me and I really have not much doubt about it. The peculiarity for me was the identical printing flaw in every card in those lots -- which all had been graded at the same time as well. Strange.

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Chuck - there is the missing 11th Cobb. Lot 541.

Very cool, thanks -- also interesting to see that green dot you mentioned on the WaJos. We should've probably started a new thread so this one doesn't keep getting interrupted but I'll leave one last comment here, similar to what I just sent Peter in a PM...

I did check the images of the other cards, and none of them have bleeding into the border. You will note that none of them have any staining whatsoever. This can hardly be a coincidence. My guess is that someone associated with the factory which printed these cards was able to sneak some out the back door before they were shipped off to CJ to be inserted into boxes (something similar to what occurred with the Black Swamp find). In other words, the cards are uncirculated.

Obviously I am biased because I own one of the cards, but I don't think we should automatically assume something nefarious is going on (ie. the cards are counterfeit). It would be incredibly difficult to fake 1914 CJs, especially with the paper they used. It also seems that IF someone was trying to hide something shady, they wouldn't submit all the Cobbs at once, which would surely raise eyebrows at SGC and put the cards under more scrutiny.

Regardless, it's an interesting card!

We now resume to your regularly scheduled thread about interesting cards....

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CW

Very cool, thanks -- also interesting to see that green dot you mentioned on the WaJos. We should've probably started a new thread so this one doesn't keep getting interrupted but I'll leave one last comment here, similar to what I just sent Peter in a PM...

I did check the images of the other cards, and none of them have bleeding into the border. You will note that none of them have any staining whatsoever. This can hardly be a coincidence. My guess is that someone associated with the factory which printed these cards was able to sneak some out the back door before they were shipped off to CJ to be inserted into boxes (something similar to what occurred with the Black Swamp find). In other words, the cards are uncirculated.

Obviously I am biased because I own one of the cards, but I don't think we should automatically assume something nefarious is going on (ie. the cards are counterfeit). It would be incredibly difficult to fake 1914 CJs, especially with the paper they used. It also seems that IF someone was trying to hide something shady, they wouldn't submit all the Cobbs at once, which would surely raise eyebrows at SGC and put the cards under more scrutiny.

Regardless, it's an interesting card!

We now resume to your regularly scheduled thread about interesting cards....

Chuck, I agree with this. And in your PM when you drew the comparison to 70s uniform print defects, that also rang true. I think the initial surprise is that we're not used to seeing such a thing on prewar cards and, in particular, CJs. And also good point about them being graded together and sold together. I'd love to know what happened with this group, very frustrating that we'll never know with any certainty. Bottom line: Peter still doesn't have a CJ Cobb

[CW]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Bottom line: Peter still doesn't have a CJ Cobb

Sometimes when you type "LOL" you really do LOL.

This was one of those times.

(and it wasn't at Peter, it was with him)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yep, still looking.

[Hal Kaplan]

Originally Posted by CW

Very cool, thanks -- also interesting to see that green dot you mentioned on the WaJos. We should've probably started a new thread so this one doesn't keep getting interrupted but I'll leave one last comment here, similar to what I just sent Peter in a PM...

I did check the images of the other cards, and none of them have bleeding into the border. You will note that none of them have any staining whatsoever. This can hardly be a coincidence. My guess is that someone associated with the factory which printed these cards was able to sneak some out the back door before they were shipped off to CJ to be inserted into boxes (something similar to what occurred with the Black Swamp find). In other words, the cards are uncirculated.

Obviously I am biased because I own one of the cards, but I don't think we should automatically assume something nefarious is going on (ie. the cards are counterfeit). It would be incredibly difficult to fake 1914 CJs, especially with the paper they used. It also seems that IF someone was trying to hide something shady, they wouldn't submit all the Cobbs at once, which would surely raise eyebrows at SGC and put the cards under more scrutiny.

Regardless, it's an interesting card!

We now resume to your regularly scheduled thread about interesting cards....

E145s were also issued as complete sets directly from CJ, according to the back of this advertising poster:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2009/1.html

I also remember an auction of one of these sets a few years ago, almost all of the cards were in extremely high grade, many the highest graded examples.

[Runscott]

The only items I own that have interesting stories behind them are photographs and equipment. But to me, this is my most interesting card:

[Yankeefan51]

Four base hits PSA 6
Just So SGC 80
Chicago Federal League Team Issued Card only one known




Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Dean for posting some of the other Cracker Jack lots...although I don't collect CJ's, I somehow, a few years apart from one another, ended up with both the Comiskey and Bender from lot 541. Neat to know the story behind them.

Brian