Were they the best......

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Yes, in a way I'm joking...but seriously Ripken and Jeter couldn't collectively have carried Cobb's Jock strap.

Agreed, but we are comparing them to the players , they played with, not of any before 1980

[Peter_Spaeth]

How can anyone seriously say Bonds was not one of the best of his time?

[HRBAKER]

I didn't say that, he was.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How can anyone seriously say Bonds was not one of the best of his time?

Because of performance enhancing drugs?

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Because of performance enhancing drugs?

Obviously I can't ignore his steroid use. I only look at his pre 1999 numbers as legitimate. The story goes after 1998 when he saw all the attention that McGwire and Sosa got, he told other players that he was going to try it. I don't know exactly the words used but that's the basic message he said from what I heard and from 1999 on he was juiced up.....as much or more than anyone else!

Even so, when only comparing him to others of his time, his pre 1999 numbers are still fantastic in their own right, just not top 5 player immortal all time numbers!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Because of performance enhancing drugs?

Yeah before drugs he was just a three time MVP winner, perennial all star and Gold Glove winner, and probably the best all around player in the game. Next?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah before drugs he was just a three time MVP winner, perennial all star and Gold Glove winner, and probably the best all around player in the game. Next?

Which makes it all the more puzzling why he felt like he needed to cheat

[EvilKing00]

IMO Bonds and Clemens are sure fire HOF easy call, they have nothing to do with my question really, more of a hook and a guide for the real question.

Now IMO the best stats of these 5 that I posted are Sheffields, (no need to post bonds numbers they are sick) IMO its not even close. And hes got the lowest BY FAR votes, even though most people voted for bonds and Clemens who are “more” steroid type guys.

Jeter and Molitor have almost exactly the same stats – scary, right Yankee fans.

Just funny how people perceive Sheffield, the guy was awesome. And funny how people sometimes put other players higher up that what they are.



1 - Gary Sheffield – 509 HR, .292 BA, 253 SB, .393 OBP

2 – Ripkin – 431 HR, .276 BA, .340 OBP

3 – Jeter – 255 HR, 313 BA, 348 SB, .382 OBP

4 – molitor – 234 HR, .306 BA, 504 SB, .369 OBP

5 – Berkman – 363 HR, .296 BA, .409 OBP

[barrysloate]

I'm starting to think that maybe none of them is as good as Miguel Cabrera. Does anyone else but me think he may win back-to-back Triple Crowns?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO Bonds and Clemens are sure fire HOF easy call, they have nothing to do with my question really, more of a hook and a guide for the real question.

Now IMO the best stats of these 5 that I posted are Sheffields, (no need to post bonds numbers they are sick) IMO its not even close. And hes got the lowest BY FAR votes, even though most people voted for bonds and Clemens who are “more” steroid type guys.

Jeter and Molitor have almost exactly the same stats – scary, right Yankee fans.

Just funny how people perceive Sheffield, the guy was awesome. And funny how people sometimes put other players higher up that what they are.



1 - Gary Sheffield – 509 HR, .292 BA, 253 SB, .393 OBP

2 – Ripkin – 431 HR, .276 BA, .340 OBP

3 – Jeter – 255 HR, 313 BA, 348 SB, .382 OBP

4 – molitor – 234 HR, .306 BA, 504 SB, .369 OBP

5 – Berkman – 363 HR, .296 BA, .409 OBP

Can't compare Ripken and Jeter to an outfielder. And Sheffield's stats were longevity stats, he was not consistently among the best players in the game, no MVPs etc. And he bounced around from one team to the next.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Which makes it all the more puzzling why he felt like he needed to cheat

He was jealous of McGwire and Sosa, felt that they were getting all the attention while he was clearly the superior player.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He was jealous of McGwire and Sosa, felt that they were getting all the attention while he was clearly the superior player.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He was jealous of McGwire and Sosa, felt that they were getting all the attention while he was clearly the superior player.

Well that's certainly a good reason.

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How can anyone seriously say Bonds was not one of the best of his time?

Glad you asked.

He was a druggie.
Hope this helps.

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