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My opinion only and I've said this in the past. The sum of:
Card doctoring that gets by grader who are not very good + repeated submissions of cards until a dealer gets the grade they want + suspiciously high grades given to higher volume dealers + shill bidding in actions + buying the slab instead of the card = a huge bubble for high grade cards. When this bubble eventually bursts, there's going to be a lot of unhappy collectors of PSA 8, 9, 10s. Don't be one of them. jeff |
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Love PWCC auctions! Won this one the other night:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=140956616869 The underbidder bid $178 more than the bidder below -- and he bid on just 5 auctions in the past 30 days, all in PWCC auctions!
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I know certain things sometimes go on in the hobby. But I have to say I've had some cards in the last B & L Auction with good results. I also had some cards in the last two PWCC Auctions. So far good results. A few cards went higher then I expected, but no shill bids by me or my friends. Many of the cards were mine from when I was a kid and later graded with no doctoring.
They were not PWCC cards. I'm sure I have high % with a few sellers as they seem to have cards that I'm interested and I keep returning to buy. I know everything is not perfect as we would like it to be, but I felt I needed to at least stick up for PWCC, so far, in my little corner of experience with them. Charlie |
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I'm confused. Yes a 3 second shill is possible, but isn't this what happens when two people snipe bid in the same auction with a "gotta have it" mentality? Both bids within 6 seconds of the hammer. If the price is too high, aren't both parties equally guilty? Clearly the 3 second bidder, didn't know that a 6 second bidder was out there. Just a thought.
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Edited to add: this is not to say this is the auctioneer's fault -- it could be the consignor.
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Did y'all see the Cobb that was tore in half and glued back together bring $415?
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and he bid on just 5 auctions in the past 30 days, all in PWCC auctions! . . .
If you do any amount of research you'll find this is very common with PWCC auctions (and maybe other consignment sellers for all I know). Some people care -- some people don't ![]() |
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Some people know -- most people don't
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I will NOT use them again as I don't bid on my consignments.
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PWCC posted on CU recently in response to charges of scan manipulation.
"In particular, we are writing in response to baseless claims that we somehow are manipulating our scans. Such accusations are ridiculous and I ask that folks please remain substantive in their accusations of any company (not just PWCC). We are not altering our scans, in fact we go to great length to ensure the images we provide are as close to life-like as humanly possible. Obviously, if we were altering images we'd have plenty of upset buyers... right? Aside from the obvious moral objection associated with this level of misrepresentation, the shear workload associated with having to manipulate scans would be stagging. So even if you don't trust us personally, perhaps you can trust the practical impossibility of such an accusation." I can't speak to intent, but PWCC's scans do not look realistic to me, they look thermonuclear.
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Which is it? Manipulating scans to "to ensure the images we provide are as close to life-like as humanly possible." or "the shear workload associated with having to manipulate scans would be stagg(er)ing."?
Intentional or not, the scans are hot. They sure don't look like factory default settings. And if someones job is ensuring "the images we provide are as close to life-like as humanly possible.", they aren't manipulating them properly.
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Well, at least we can narrow down the guilty party to the auction house.
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When a PSA 6 sells for as much, if not more than a PSA 8, it is mind boggling to me as well. Just a shred of research and a little common sense will tell you what a fair market price for a particular item is. When the above scenario happens though, it definitely smells fishy to me. This hobby has so many scenarios and sub-scenarios though - it would blow your mind if you knew everything that went on. I blame the almighty dollar....
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You "blame the almighty dollar?" How about blaming the guy who was responsible for shill bidding?
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For the card that I saw, the shill bid stopped at $33. There were still two other "sensible" bidders who bid it up past the PSA 8 level, totally ignoring the big coke spill stain on the back of the card.
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Careful Jeffrey you will get yourself banned!!
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Also, if the auction house were doing the actual shill bidding here, and they have a habit of doing so, wouldn't they have specific accounts that don't have 100% bid activity with PWCC, so that this wouldn't seem like such "obvious" shill bidding? I am not naive enough to think shill bidding and scan manipulations do not occur with regularity in this hobby. I just feel that now we've learned that the consignor (Gary) did not do the shill bidding on the postcard w/ Ty Cobb, this may just be a case of another collector driving the price up with a snipe. Last edited by CW; 04-28-2013 at 11:18 AM. Reason: to add the last paragraph |
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Not necessarily... if ebay isn't going to do anything about it, why bother trying to make it look less obvious
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Again, the issue is not with the snipe -- it is with the fact that the underbidder (and many underbidders in PWCC auctions) is only bidding in PWCC auctions.
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I agree with Chuck. It would be hard to believe that AH's would be dumb enough to leave such an obvious trail if they were indeed shilling their own auctions. But then again, "dumber" things have happened.
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Sigh.
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Ask Mastro and Allen about leaving an obvious trail of evidence on their fraud....
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