Another shill? You tell me.

[sdkammeyer]

Thank you Dave ... I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone. My purpose was to point out that eBay puts these restrictions/limits on sellers to make sure they (sellers) can keep their sh*t straight..... and although I do not buy a whole lot from eBay I applaud them for that.

And .......

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I do believe the seller is a board member. I hope he chimes in

I hope they do!!

Shilling is one reason I (personally) will NEVER buy from anyone who takes consignments and sells on eBay.

If you are taking consignments, get yourself an auction house and quit exploiting eBay. That's my personal opinion, it is up for debate, but it is what it is. I tend to spend quite a bit (lately) on my collection but I refuse to buy from an eBay seller that is selling on consignment.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

Thank you Dave ... I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone. My purpose was to point out that eBay puts these restrictions/limits on sellers to make sure they (sellers) can keep their sh*t straight..... and although I do not buy a whole lot from eBay I applaud them for that.

And .......




I hope they do!!

Shilling is one reason I (personally) will NEVER buy from anyone who takes consignments and sells on eBay.

If you are taking consignments, get yourself an auction house and quit exploiting eBay. That's my personal opinion, it is up for debate, but it is what it is. I tend to spend quite a bit (lately) on my collection but I refuse to buy from an eBay seller that is selling on consignment.

Well, for transparency sake let me be the first to tell you that I do regularly sell consignments that are sent to me to sell on Ebay, though they are probably not items in your field and I don't exactly deal in a high volume.

Ebay, IS an auction platform, and it's a tool meant to be "exploited" as you say.

I'd be curious as to why you hold that stance on the matter?

How is it any different then a seller offering their own stuff, but not consignments? I do think it's important to let your consignors know, that under no circumstances should they bid in their items in your auctions.

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I'd be curious as to why you hold that stance on the matter?

How is it any different then a seller offering their own stuff, but not consignments? I do think it's important to let your consignors no, that under no circumstances should they bid in their items in your auctions.

I agree with the latter (obviously) that no consigners should be bidding on their own items. Enough said on that matter.

eBay opens the door for that (shilling) to happen and I'm pretty sure that it has been proven that it does in fact happen (probstein and others)

If there is ANYTHING that I wish to purchase for my personal collection, and it is listed on eBay by a seller that takes consignments, there is a 99.9% chance it will pop again from a "private seller" ..... or pop up off off eBay. I would rather get it then.

I am sure I am in the minority, but if there is even a hint, or one iota, of a possibility of a shill bid happening, I just will not do it. ESPECIALLY from a seller who is selling for someone else and stands to make more if the money goes bigger "than normal".

Yes, as a personal seller (mostly of bathroom exhaust fans and military surplus) I could hire people to shill bid my auctions ..... but the facts are the facts .... those who sell for others and take a percentage of the sale have a higher opportunity and a higher rate of shill bidding.

It's just the law of averages.

And, if you take consignments, good for you. I wouldn't recommend announcing that to others. Just my 2 cents. If that's only worth a penny to you or anyone else ..... well then that's fine. But that is why I, personally, will not buy from eBay sellers who announce that they accept consignments.

Again, these are only my personal opinions .... I am picky with my own money and will not give away one extra dollar if I do not have to ..... thats just me.

There is enough bullsh*t going on in this industry with fake cards/autos .... and people purposely "aging" cards to sell that I like things to be as up-and-up as possible.

If I personally have a nice card in nice condition, I will sell it myself. No need to pay someone to sell it for me. Again, that's my opinion, and we are all entitled to one

I have seen MANY MANY cards sold by brand-new eBay sellers that do just fine. And that happens every single day. In my own little mind there is no reason to consign a card on eBay. Again, that's just me.

I am pretty sure we can agree that auction houses are a bit different. Mr. Kissner is a friend of mine (Black Swamp Find.... yes I live in Defiance, Ohio and there are more than a dozen net54 members who can vouch for that)..... he knows nothing about cards, absolutely nothing. He was charged with getting the most out of those E98's as possible for his entire family and he did it the right way. Finding a specialist, taking their advice, and finding a private auction house that will promote "the find" the correct way. THAT ..... in my tiny mind, is the reason to consign a card/cards. If he would have asked me to sell them for him on eBay I would have declined.

Everyone has their own opinion.