1921 Koesters Bread Cards

[kmac32]

Hi Rhett,
So if I am reading what you say correctly, for these 4 cards all labeled 1922 W575-1, all with blank backs, 3 should be labeled 1921 Koester Bread and one should be labeled 1922 W575-1 (grainy picture with O.F. designation). At one time the SGC 10 Miller with Square corners was labeled Koester by PSA and I sent it in for crossover and this is what I got.

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Rhett for laying it all out for us...the whole collecting community is better for all your efforts AND willingness to share.

Brian

[MMarvelli]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Hi Rhett,
So if I am reading what you say correctly, for these 4 cards all labeled 1922 W575-1, all with blank backs, 3 should be labeled 1921 Koester Bread and one should be labeled 1922 W575-1 (grainy picture with O.F. designation). At one time the SGC 10 Miller with Square corners was labeled Koester by PSA and I sent it in for crossover and this is what I got.

It would seem to me that the upper right "W-575-1" is actually a W501-Type 2, as it has the rough cut top and bottom edges and is more grainy than the W-575-1 series. The only way to be sure, as the Type 2's dont have the G-4-22 designation, is the thickness/thinness of the stock. W-575-1's were on card stock and W-501's were paper thin stock for both Type 1 and 2. card stock vs. paper stock should be easy to determine during grading, but not sure how east it is to determine once it is slabbed. Perhaps none of these four cards are W-575-1's as labeled.

[rhettyeakley]

Mark is correct in regards to the designation of the card with the uneven top/bottom border. I referred to those cards in my article as W501 Type 2's as they share the same checklist with the W501 Type 1 set (the Type 2's are just missing the G-4-22 and card number at top). In the past I had referred to that set as W575-1B, however, as I was writing the Old Cardboard article and after some thought I feel the W501 Type 2 designation to be more accurate (and potentially less confusing--if that is even possible with these sets).

The other three cards are all from the Koester's Bread distribution. Since someone gave them their own ACC designation (D383) I would venture to say that none of those cards were accurately described on the flip, but then again I invented the W501 Type 2 designation so I can't really give SGC a hard time for not identifying that one accurately.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Mark is correct in regards to the designation of the card with the uneven top/bottom border. I referred to those cards in my article as W501 Type 2's as they share the same checklist with the W501 Type 1 set (the Type 2's are just missing the G-4-22 and card number at top). In the past I had referred to that set as W575-1B, however, as I was writing the Old Cardboard article and after some thought I feel the W501 Type 2 designation to be more accurate (and potentially less confusing--if that is even possible with these sets).

The other three cards are all from the Koester's Bread distribution. Since someone gave them their own ACC designation (D383) I would venture to say that none of those cards were accurately described on the flip, but then again I invented the W501 Type 2 designation so I can't really give SGC a hard time for not identifying that one accurately.

That is kind of what I always thought on their labeling. Thanks for all the info.
I did forget to mention that one of the W575-1 cards does have a RM Hayes store stamp on the back which was a book store from Hagerstown Maryland. I assume the stamp was placed on the card after the fact.

[Leon]

Thanks to all who participated in this thread, especially Rhett. This thread has now been added to our permanent Archive Center (look at the row of icons and it's the far right one) under D383.

[rhettyeakley]

Leon, thanks for providing a great place for the sharing of information! We need to try to convert some of the T206-ies to come to the dark side and start collecting the really interesting stuff!

[brianp-beme]

And thanks to Rhett I discovered that six cards I had identified as W575-1 are most likely D383 Koester Bread cards. This information was just not available before in such a comprehensive fashion, and was obviously the result of years of research on these sets. It sure is appreciated. Definitely archive material...and thanks Leon for considering it as such.

Brian