FAKE packs and an FBI Fraud Investigation: What would YOU do?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by dzolot

I have an idea! Ask fellow hobbyists to "donate" money to your cause. Your cause is to collect enough money to reimburse you for the fake packs that you will open on youtube and expose as fakes. In your videos which I am sure will get thousands of views, you can solicit more money to rip/ reveal more bogus packs. Gets u out of your predicament, helps the hobby and all is documented for the FBI report : )

I like your suggestion, but you do need to put your name on your posts in this thread. Nothing personal...it's your first post and you probably didn't know that was a rule here in threads like this. Thanks!

[HRBAKER]

Makes me glad I collect autographs rather than graded cell packs with stars on top, .....oh, wait

Makes me glad I collect high-end graded cards rather than cello packs with stars on top, .....oh, wait

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

I believe the Schmidt thread was brought up because Jose used that cello as his impetus to begin manufacturing his own. My take was that the Schmidt cello infuriated him and he set out on a quest to prove to the hobby just how easy it was to fake unopened cello packs (aka, making straight cash homie!)

[pepis]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

I believe the Schmidt thread was brought up because Jose used that cello as his impetus to begin manufacturing his own. My take was that the Schmidt cello infuriated him and he set out on a quest to prove to the hobby just how easy it was to fake unopened cello packs (aka, making straight cash homie!)

I didn't get infuriated, but it did botter me specially when he did trow Paul
under the bus sort of speak Paul wasn't a close friend but he was sombody
that many times came over to compare notes when he saw me set-up
at some shows, however it was what i saw in the net that didn't look right,
all my friends told me to just look the other way, that i couldn't win
against a big company, most people don't have any idea how big this is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

[RGold]

Peter, I like your new avatar. Rope-a-dope for you is quite afropos.

[tsalem]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

+1

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[dzolot]

Didn't know the rule. I am dzolot - im on the cu boards and over 100k views on youtube for my vintage cards under dzolot - look me up and enjoy the videos!!!

[pepis]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

The story is long, 2 years in the making and an additional few more years in reasearch with plenty of graphic evidence i can only post here with Leon's ok.

I know how Erin Brockovich felt as I am now the Star Pack Environmental Activist.

Pepe

[mcadams]

Awful how you keep referring to yourself as a hero. Unless there was a con artist who faked sports memorabilia items somewhere in the Erin Brokovich movie.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pepis

The story is long, 2 years in the making and an additional few more years in reasearch with plenty of graphic evidence i can only post here with Leon's ok.

I know how Erin Brockovich felt as I am now the Star Pack Environmental Activist.

Pepe

It is, and always has been, the policy of this board to allow almost anything to be said, per the rules, as long as your name is by your post. As long as that is your real name, fire away. It's worth repeating that whatever anyone says in this forum they are legally liable for. That being said as long as you speak the truth, and are not breaking the law, you should never have anything to worry about. Of if you are breaking the law, and want to fess up, well, that is your right too. Someone called me on the phone a few hours ago asking about posting a thread talking about the biggest fraudsters in the hobby. I said I recommend against it, but as long as everyone has their full name in each post (mandatory) then so be it. I did recommend against it as I think it would be ugly, but I didn't say "no".

[brob28]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

Can you take a few minutes to explain, so we can be 100% certain of the story on this subject? I'm pretty sure we're all following along somewhat, but I'd appreciate hearing the whole story in your words.

[TNP777]

I've been trying to wrap my mind around this. Correct me if I'm wrong - Jose, are you saying you created bogus packs for the purpose of getting them past the graders at PSA (specifically Steve Hart) as an experiment to expose fraud... and are willing to risk incarceration as a result of said experiment? Am I understanding correctly?

I have to have missed something.