Regarding the SOVEREIGN "apple green" back phenomena....some interesting stuff

[tedzan]

JIM"S POST #20....5/24/2009

Originally Posted by cfc1909

thanks for all the kind words about the set.

Craig & Scot & Ted- more research needs to be done on the Sovereign 350 cards. We need to know what fronts come on the apple green and if the same front can be found with both colors.
It is kanda interesting to see if 350-460 cards are the ones with this back. maybe just an ink problem, but it will be fun researching. Maybe not an ink problem.

MY RESPONSE, POST #25....5/25/2009

Originally Posted by tedzan

As I said in my last post, I think you are on to some thing in your "apple green" observation....regarding the 55 Subjects
found in the 350/460 series of the other T-brands.

For now, I am going by memory; however, I may have a lot more than 8 apple green cards in my Sovereign set. When I
am home later today, I will check-out my set and provide you with a more definitive accounting of my apple green cards.


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Tim

I was away on 5/24/2009 when Jim contacted me (as noted in the two POSTS cited here from that thread).

When I returned home that evening I went through my SOVEREIGN set. And, as I have stated......"It became immediately evident to me (that the cards with apple green
backs were the 350/460 subjects).

Until that point in this discussion this fact was not certain, as it was based on just a sampling of SOVEREIGN cards. Furthermore, the thinking was that these cards were
either printed with the apple green color and/or the darker green color....or, they were simply faded backs. It was just a guessing game at that point.

We might still be conjecturing over the significance of the apple green cards, if it I had not completed the SOVEREIGN set....which confirmed the connection between the
apple green cards and the 350/460 series subjects. Furthermore, my set revealed 11 more apple green cards, namely the 6 super-prints with their SOVEREIGN 350 backs;
and, the Joe Doyle, Red Kleinow (NY), Simon Nichols, Bob Rhoades, and Frank Smith (white cap) cards.



This continuing effort of yours (grasping at any thing) to discredit me has become tiresome.

Part of the reason that I posted this thread is to show members on this forum that when we combine expertise, we can solve any "mystery" in this hobby.


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[tedzan]

For comparison

Apple green backs of 350/460 series cards

Green back 350-only series cards



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[g_vezina_c55]

Thanks ted to share your knowledge !

[DerekMichael]

When I was younger, I had never actually seen a T206 before, but I saw a green Cobb in the Beckett magazine one month. I did not know about the size, or the tobacco backs or anything, all I knew was that one day I wanted a green Cobb, and BADLY! Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined all of the things that go into this particular set, and it is truly mind blowing, but it soooooo interesting, and so unique to any other hobby I have ever had. Collecting these cards has actually brought me closer to my Dad believe it or not.

I think you all do really great work, and I just want to thank all of you for opening my eyes to something so cool. You all do a really great job, and a true service to our hobby in general.

Thank you so much to all of you!

Derek

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by tedzan

For comparison

Apple green backs of 350/460 series cards

Green back 350-only series cards



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OK, I'm sure I didn't explain myself right.......The bottom card in this picture, the Green back 350-only series (the one at the bottom),,,,looks darker than what I usually consider the "normal Sov. Green", which I consider the two cards I posted in my first post.

Then, you have the "Apple Green",,,,so, is that darker one a "third color of green" or is it just the scan? I have limited experience with Soveriegn backed cards, I only have three and have never had one of those "really dark" ones.

I'm just looking for a little clarification, and would appreciate the help. Thanks.

Sincerely, Clayton

[tedzan]

Clayton

There are varying degrees of the green color on the SOVEREIGN cards. Typically, the cards in the 350-only series appear to have a deeper green back.

The "apple green" (350/460 series subjects) is a distinctive shade of yellow-green, that is un-mistakeable.

The 150 backs can vary in their shades of green.

The 460-only cards usually appear to have a lighter shade of green; however, other 460 backs are a darker shade of green.........









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[teetwoohsix]

Thanks Ted.

The apple green do seem to almost "flouresce"(sp?) way more than the other shades. It's interesting that this particular back has more than two "shades" of green. I know Piedmont has two shades of blue, and I've seen lighter and darker Sweet Caporals (I'm not sure the Sweet Caporals have two different shades of red, but rather some are faded and some are still solid).

Another interesting thing is the difference in the brown color in the brown OM and the brown Lenox,,, sorry, I'm getting off track.

Sincerely, Clayton

[RCMcKenzie]

I have always thought that T206 Sovereign's had a green back. It's amazing that y'all made this discovery...Here are two cards that I bought from a guy in England on ebay a few months ago....


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[RCMcKenzie]

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Thanks Ted.

The apple green do seem to almost "flouresce"(sp?) way more than the other shades. It's interesting that this particular back has more than two "shades" of green. I know Piedmont has two shades of blue, and I've seen lighter and darker Sweet Caporals (I'm not sure the Sweet Caporals have two different shades of red, but rather some are faded and some are still solid).

Another interesting thing is the difference in the brown color in the brown OM and the brown Lenox,,, sorry, I'm getting off track.

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton

Check-out my two UZIT cards....light blue vs. dark blue. Quite similar to the PIEDMONT Factory 42 vs. Factory 25 cards.






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[DerekMichael]

whooooooa!

Mr. Zanidakis,

Do you actually think there are different variations of Uzit backs too, or is one just faded?

That would be seriously wild. Do you think there would be a premium in pricing based on the different shade of blue?

The T206 set seriously blows my mind on a fairly regular basis. Oh, how I love it!

Derek

PS

I miss my Walter Johnson! But I am glad you get to enjoy it

[tedzan]

3rd of 4 groups (15 subjects per sheet)....... Magee >> Rucker







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