1905 Pirates - need i.d. help

[Runscott]

I've identified all but six players in this photo of the 1905 Pirates.

Need help with the following: top row - 5,7,8 from left
middle row - 4, 7 from left
bottom row - 5th from left

Thanks!

top: Beaumont, Carisch, Leever, Clymer, unk1, McBride, Unk2, Unk3
middle: Wagner, Peitz, Howard, unk4, Lynch, Phillippe, unk5
bottom: Flaherty, Ritchey, Clarke, Hillebrand, unk6, Leach

[rhettyeakley]

I can take a closer look later (if others haven't nailed it down for you before then) but I'm fairly certain UNK-4 is Bill Clancy
-Rhett

[Dto7]

Top row 5th player is Charlie Case

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Dto7

Top row 5th player is Charlie Case

Thanks! That's who I had penned in tentatively, but couldn't find a good enough pic of Case to confirm it.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I can take a closer look later (if others haven't nailed it down for you before then) but I'm fairly certain UNK-4 is Bill Clancy
-Rhett

Thanks Rhett, I think you are right. The only good pic I could find of him was on a Colgan's Chip, and it does look like him.

[bmarlowe1]

agree with Rhett and unk 1 is Charlie Case

(edited to add - I didn't see Don's post while I was cropping the photos)

[z28jd]

If you're sure the one player is McBride, then he was with the team until July 4th. So other players that could be in this pic include:

George Gibson(not likely, only 3 days separate his debut and McBride leaving)
Frank Moore(good luck finding a pic of him)
Chick Robitaille(likely in the pic)
Charlie Case, who I think is unk. 1
Harry Smith, who rarely played but was more like a bullpen catcher that couldn't stay healthy
Bill Clancy is there somewhere

The picture could be a late pre-season shot and the team cut three pitchers late that year in Spring Training, Vive Lindaman, Clyde Goodwin and a big young lefty pitcher named Holmes...it was Clarence Holmes, found some later notes, played two years for Cedar Rapids, hurt his arm, never pitched again

[rhettyeakley]

UNK 6 is chick robitaille

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

If you're sure the one player is McBride, then he was with the team until July 4th. So other players that could be in this pic include:

George Gibson(not likely, only 3 days separate his debut and McBride leaving)
Frank Moore(good luck finding a pic of him)
Chick Robitaille(likely in the pic)
Charlie Case, who I think is unk. 1
Harry Smith, who rarely played but was more like a bullpen catcher that couldn't stay healthy
Bill Clancy is there somewhere

The picture could be a late pre-season shot and the team cut three pitchers late that year in Spring Training, Vive Lindaman, Clyde Goodwin and a big young lefty pitcher named Holmes...it was Clarence Holmes, found some later notes, played two years for Cedar Rapids, hurt his arm, never pitched again

Thanks John - great stuff. I'm certain that's McBride, and also that Gibson is NOT in the pic (watch me be wrong!). I had Robataille pencilled in as #6 and Bull Smith as #5, so what you're saying gives me more confidence in those two guesses. Back to google....

[z28jd]

Bull Smith probably isn't there. Pirates went on a long road trip at the end of the 1904 season and they sent him home after he struggled in 13 games. He wasn't there in 1905

[bmarlowe1]

unk2 is Otto Knabe (pic to come)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

unk2 is Otto Knabe (pic to come)

Are you sure? It looks like this guy to me. Also, Lindaman was 6'1", Knabe was 5'8"

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Bull Smith probably isn't there. Pirates went on a long road trip at the end of the 1904 season and they sent him home after he struggled in 13 games. He wasn't there in 1905

John - you 'da man. That's Lindeman in position #2!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

If you're sure the one player is McBride, then he was with the team until July 4th. So other players that could be in this pic include:

George Gibson(not likely, only 3 days separate his debut and McBride leaving)
Frank Moore(good luck finding a pic of him)
Chick Robitaille(likely in the pic)
Charlie Case, who I think is unk. 1
Harry Smith, who rarely played but was more like a bullpen catcher that couldn't stay healthy
Bill Clancy is there somewhere

I'm thinking the guy on the far right, middle row, could be Frank Moore - Moore was 6'4", and this guy appears to dwarf everyone around him.

[z28jd]

Otto Knabe can't be in the same Pirates team pic as McBride. They were with the team three months apart from each other. Knabe was in the minors until September