New T205 Website with Master Checklist

[Wite3]

Um...I am not sure about not being able to have both Broadleaf backs. I have never seen one with both AB backs but here is a Phelps with an Olive back. I know for a fact there are at least two different olive ones floating around (one that Patrick Knoll had with a stamped star) and another auctioned a while back without a star stamp.

The Phelps Broadleaf is Olive...see a scan here

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6039172

Downey is in olive as well...a scan can be found by searching here on net54.

I know Downey is olive as I had owned 2 different ones at one point but have never seen a black. As far as phelps I will look at my scans of the one I have and see the color for a positive reference. I will stand behind the BL's being either black or olive and not both. I can see a faded back fooling someone or the olive being really dark and not have great scans a the reason it appears black. Can we see 2 clear scans of any BL double colors side by side?

[Ronnie73]

I'm going to check all my Broadleaf scans tonight but I do have a theory. Every Drum back has a Broadleaf couterpart. I would think that those 20 broadleaf cards would have the same color back, either black or olive green. Maybe those 20 could have both black and olive green backs or just one color or the other but that 20 Drum printing has to follow a pattern with the Broadleafs somehow. SGC shows a Jack Knight and Fred Payne with Broadeaf backs but the Master Checklist is still blank because of the color question.

[jimivintage]

Green broadleaf Moran No Stray Line on eBay right now.

Ron I think drum was run in less quantity than BL was. If they ran equals then drums and BL would be the same prices

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Ron I think drum was run in less quantity than BL was. If they ran equals then drums and BL would be the same prices

I agree with that but what I was saying is the 20 different cards that have Drum backs also have a Broadleaf card. So say there are 10 or 20 different cards to a sheet, they used the same front plate but changed the back for the Broadleaf run and possibly that same 20 cards have the olive green back and the non Drum Broadleafs are maybe all black backs. I'm just thinking they may have used the same front plate but then they may not have. Just looking for a printing pattern to determine Broadleaf back colors so you can say if a Drum back exists, then the broadleaf back color is olive green and if there is no Drum card, then the Broadleaf has a black back.

[steve B]

Here's a couple more to add.

Steve B

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree with that but what I was saying is the 20 different cards that have Drum backs also have a Broadleaf card. So say there are 10 or 20 different cards to a sheet, they used the same front plate but changed the back for the Broadleaf run and possibly that same 20 cards have the olive green back and the non Drum Broadleafs are maybe all black backs. I'm just thinking they may have used the same front plate but then they may not have. Just looking for a printing pattern to determine Broadleaf back colors so you can say if a Drum back exists, then the broadleaf back color is olive green and if there is no Drum card, then the Broadleaf has a black back.

I see what you are saying. Downey is an Olive back and has a Drum counterpart and Hoblitzell is a Black BL and has a Drum back as well. There is no rhyme or reason with the BL colors and a Drum connection. I think it has to do with distribution areas myself. Ted Z has helped me a bit in this area. Same goes for Hindus. This is research that I am not complete with yet to make a final theory but when I do I hope to share it with the board.


Still haven't heard back as to why the Walsh error is on the checklist as an actual variation. Just curious