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10-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
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What are you saying? The cards back print aligns, the cards are centered differently as are 19 zillion T206's, but overall the cards are roughly the same dimension. The Blue OM and the black are near perfect text alignment matches where the obvious reprint and real OM are very far off on back alignment.
Ted aligned the top frame line just as the second poster did with the Blue OM. There are obvious differences in layout on the known reprint versus the Blue OM, which happens to match both black OM's shown. Last edited by sb1; 10-03-2012 at 05:04 PM.
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10-03-2012, 05:06 PM
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How in your opinion have they been aligned? You can clearly see that the top borders of the Walsh and the real OM are NOT aligned. The real OM goes above Walsh's top border and stops short from its bottom border.
My point is that the text aligns only when you cheat and align them by sight. They DO NOT align when the cards are placed on an equal plane top to bottom. They have to be manipulated to line up correctly. Again, at least from the photo posted. Ted's point is that the Blue reprints are not perfect copies of the original cards. They are cropped and printed differently using the real text and design as a model, but not reproducing it correctly. The Blue Walsh seems to share this same characteristic as the reprints. Last edited by packs; 10-03-2012 at 05:31 PM.
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10-03-2012, 05:13 PM
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the cards should align by the print, not the borders, all cards are misaligned to the left or right or top to bottom. Take 10 T206's and put the bottom edge on a straightline, probably none of the printed framelines will line up. Take the same group and align the top border with the straightline and ALL of the bottom framelines will be on the same plane.
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10-03-2012, 07:49 PM
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Post #1 shows that the fake OM (the crappy one on the left) has a frame much shorter than the confirmed one (on the right). The Walsh OM aligns perfectly with the confirmed OM on post #5. Therefore the fake OM from post #1 would be a lot shorter than the Walsh OM.
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10-04-2012, 04:10 AM
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Anyone can see the printing is identical and matched perfect. The RP OM's appear to be about 1/8" smaller in frame size than an original. The Walsh matches the originals spot on other than color. As of now there is only one copy. Now it's known to look out for this on the OM's it's only a matter of time before more surface. Then what will be said by those that have never seen or touched it in person. "Awe there all fakes!" Is there a single person that was at the nationals that seen the card in person that says its fake? I bet that's a no. Now how many weren't there that say it is fake? A lot of people that don't know what there talking about. Your PC/Mac is not the same as the look, feel, and smell in person. Then again this could be the best fake in the world. Remove the back ink and print new ink without damaging the front at all. lMFAO!!!!!smh
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10-04-2012, 08:22 AM
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Of Blue OLD MILL T206's....and such
I initiated this thread, displaying the Lundgren reprint alongside a real T206 of Tenney, in order to illustrate an obvious difference
between the backs of these two OLD MILL cards. This was in response to a fellow collector who was very skeptical of the Walsh blue OLD MILL card. He recalled having several old reprints cards (in the 1990's) that had blue OLD MILL backs. Having known the owner for over 25 years of the blue OLD MILL Walsh card; and, having seen this card close up prior to it being graded, I feel it is an original T206. My speculation regarding this card is simply this scenario. The pressman at American Lithographic was printing a run of PIEDMONT backs on pre-printed sheets (of fronts). Subsequently, a job order called for OLD MILL backs. But, the pressman forgot to replace the blue ink in his press with Black ink. And, continued printing the OLD MILL backs with the Blue ink remaining from the prior PIED- MONT press run. NOTE....Some have previously said that this card's OLD MILL is "POLAR BEAR blue ink". I differ with that observation. Walsh cards were printed in the 150/350 series. The POLAR BEAR backs were printed in the 350-only, 350/460 and 460-only series (but not in the 150/350 series T206's). If this scenario explains this Walsh card anomaly, then we should eventually discover a few more cards with Blue OLD MILL backs. Which should provide us more confidence that this Walsh card is real. However, I caution T206 back collectors, this Blue ink OLD MILL is strictly the result of a printing anamoly....not a "new T206 back". TED Z
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10-04-2012, 09:03 AM
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A lot of us want to believe this card is real, because we're die hard collectors and fans of T206s. A discovery of this magnitude is exciting and dramatic. But just because we want the card to be real, it won't make it real. Just ask the cousins in Ohio who desperately wanted a certain T206 to be real...
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10-04-2012, 11:22 AM
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