Wagner graded sgc A already at $180K!! WOW!!

[CMIZ5290]

I still don't get it.....

[jimross]

Goodwin says even trimmed Auth T206 Wagner would go for $1M in 10 yrs... u still don't get it?

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by jimross

Goodwin says even trimmed Auth T206 Wagner would go for $1M in 10 yrs... u still don't get it?

It's all moot, isn't the world going to end December 21st, 2012??

[sports-rings]

according to my records, the last "Authentic" Wagner to sell at auction, was in November 2010. It was auctioned off by heritage. With the buyer's premium, the card sold for $262,900.00. In my opinion the Goodwin card was in better shape and presented better.

There was a lot more media stories about the Heritage card than this time.

Do the readers here feel the market may have peaked for lower-end Wagner cards and the price of "Authentics" and PSA-1 Wagners are coming down?

Or is it a reflection on bigger auction houses with more resources achieving better results than smaller auction houses?

I had a few high end items in an auction house recently and was very disappointed with their marketing, and PR-work. They seemed to do very little effort in getting the word out about my items and other items in their auction. I believe the prices realized reflected their failures and lack of effort.

Was the lack of coverage outside our hobby a factor in this Wagner selling for so much less?

[glynparson]

according to my records, the last "Authentic" Wagner to sell at auction, was in November 2010. It was auctioned off by heritage. With the buyer's premium, the card sold for $262,900.00. In my opinion the Goodwin card was in better shape and presented better. 

There was a lot more media stories about the Heritage card than this time. 

Do the readers here feel the market may have peaked for lower-end Wagner cards and the price of "Authentics" and PSA-1 Wagners are coming down? 

Or is it a reflection on bigger auction houses with more resources achieving better results than smaller auction houses?

I had a few high end items in an auction house recently and was very disappointed with their marketing, and PR-work. They seemed to do very little effort in getting the word out about my items and other items in their auction. I believe the prices realized reflected their failures and lack of effort. 

Was the lack of coverage outside our hobby a factor in this Wagner selling for so much less? 

No I think it was because the other ones proceeds were going to charity.

[jimross]

I would not compare HA with Goodwin. The hammer price for that nun Wagner was way too much and the original winner knows it after the "hyper" that's why he never paid for it. HA contacted a wealthy collector and he picked up the tap, I am pretty sure that wealthy collector thinks all the money from that nun Wagner sale would go for church renovation so it was kind of like a charity thing.

BTW, did i mention HA allows themselves to bid on their own auctions??

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by jimross

BTW, did i mention HA allows themselves to bid on their own auctions??

Im still getting accustomed to larger auctions houses, but is there a way to prove this? I dislike HA very much and have never received such poor customer service in 27 years collecting.

Steve Suckow

[btkpath]

I guess my take on the matter is a little different.

I think people might be a little skittish. When the Wagner PSA 8 sold for $3M, it dragged the price of other lesser Wagners up, which would be a normal response. I know that there has always been controversy regarding that card being trimmed (and that is not the point here), but with the recent indictments of Mastro and the potential involvement of PSA in the matter, I wonder if the price and "cache" of "The Card" will soften, thus having a softening effect on the price of all other Wagners. This is the first Wagner to sell since the recent allegations surfaced (I believe) against Mastro, PSA and "The Card". It will be interesting to see the price of the next Wagner that sells.

Just my opinion.

[jimross]

Steve,

It is stated on their auction disclaimer.... they are allow to bid up to the level such that the next (real bidder) bid would pass the reserve price.

It is not a rumor or myth.