Two new Cobb portrait red Hindus found

[teetwoohsix]

Ted-

Being skeptical about a card is a little different than attacking someone's integrity (please again, see your quote in the OP). That's what I was refering to.

Sincerely, Clayton

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Ted-

Being skeptical about a card is a little different than attacking someone's integrity (please again, see your quote in the OP). That's what I was refering to.

Sincerely, Clayton

I must have missed it somewhere. Could you post a link because most of what I read was a bunch of guys acknowledging the first card is a fraud and attacking Ted for the same thing. I think Ted has done a ton of research on the cards and is very knowledgeable so for someone to question his opinion is fine but to say he don't know anything when some of the info he provided was used as someone else's credit is kinda wrong. This I why I don't post anymore info on my T205 research. I have gathered a lot and have had several guys help with info. All of which would be acknowledged if posted but someone would take this info and use it as their own. Not something I am going to do with my work or anyone else's. To each their own though.

[warrior1978]

Really excited about this Cobb find.

Prior to these additional two cards, I was very skeptical about the PSA 4 Red Hindu Cobb but this makes me more opened minded about it.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I must have missed it somewhere. Could you post a link because most of what I read was a bunch of guys acknowledging the first card is a fraud and attacking Ted for the same thing. I think Ted has done a ton of research on the cards and is very knowledgeable so for someone to question his opinion is fine but to say he don't know anything when some of the info he provided was used as someone else's credit is kinda wrong. This I why I don't post anymore info on my T205 research. I have gathered a lot and have had several guys help with info. All of which would be acknowledged if posted but someone would take this info and use it as their own. Not something I am going to do with my work or anyone else's. To each their own though.

Hi Andrew-

No need for a link, just look at the TedZ quote in the first post of this thread.

Maybe my posts were misconstrued as an attack on Ted, which I didn't intend it to be.

TedZ- if you took my posts as an attack on you, then I appologize, as that was not my intention.

I stand by what I wrote in my posts, and I don't always word things right, you have to be skeptical about cards nowadays, there are people out there who don't care and will try to rip you off. Being skeptical of a card isn't the issue as much as slamming people's integrity, and using the card as the example. I guess I figure if you are going to do both of those things in correspondence with each other, I would think you had undeniable proof that the card was a fraud. I don't know who the card owner is, but I would be a little upset-he or she probably spent a good amount of $$ on a card like that(someone probably knows what it sold for-I don't).

I think shareing(sp?) information about cards is a tremendous help to the collecting community, especially for new people just getting into it. But, ultimately that's your choice- if you don't want to do it, that's fine. I'm sure your information on cards is important, as I know you know this set T205 very well (from your posts).

I do also know that TedZ has a wealth of knowledge about T206's and he's done a lot of research and I've learned from his research and used to write all kinds of notes for myself-I've thanked him many times in my earlier posts on the board. I still have his T Brand thread as a subscribed thread.

As far as information of Ted's about people using his research/info, I have no idea what he is referring to.

What I saw was a group of very knowledgeable and generous collectors got together, compiled data and information and all of their years of collecting research (and wisdom) and decided to do something good for the T206 collectors and make a site that is easy to navigate and is full of great stuff. Then, I saw people getting mad that other people weren't included. It was ridiculous that the announcement of this great new site was all of a sudden under attack, when all they were trying to do was something good for ALL T206 collectors.

My take was this- TedZ is not the only one who has researched this card and it's origins over the past decade or two and was not the first. In fact, just look at some of the names as contributors on T206Resource- just as many heavy hitters when it comes to T206 research and knowledge. I can see how they wouldn't even need to use TedZ's info, especially with the COMBINED knowledge of ALL of the contributors.

Whew, I'm beat.


There may be reasons why Ted wasn't included in this project (and to make it clear, I was not a part of this project) and I don't know any more than you probably do, other than what I've read about some of Ted's info that he apparently knew was bogus.


I hope I cleared this up- thanks for the response.

Sincerely, Clayton

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

This I why I don't post anymore info on my T205 research. I have gathered a lot and have had several guys help with info. All of which would be acknowledged if posted but someone would take this info and use it as their own. Not something I am going to do with my work or anyone else's. To each their own though.

The value of research is in its sharing of knowledge. To keep knowledge to myself for fear of plagiarism is not something I am going to do with my work. Who is making any money off of someone else's T205 or T206 research?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I must have missed it somewhere. Could you post a link because most of what I read was a bunch of guys acknowledging the first card is a fraud and attacking Ted for the same thing. I think Ted has done a ton of research on the cards and is very knowledgeable so for someone to question his opinion is fine but to say he don't know anything when some of the info he provided was used as someone else's credit is kinda wrong. This I why I don't post anymore info on my T205 research. I have gathered a lot and have had several guys help with info. All of which would be acknowledged if posted but someone would take this info and use it as their own. Not something I am going to do with my work or anyone else's. To each their own though.

Well, stated Andrew. As far as sharing research, I kind of disagree with you - I don't mind sharing anything I have, and I don't mind others using it. I just think that out of common courtesy and respect, you acknowledge where you got the information or your ideas. If you choose not to, there's little chance in a hobby like this, that you'll get penalized legally, but it certainly hurts your reputation.

Ted's been around this hobby a long time. There are new guys joining all the time, many who only know the hobby based on how it was at the point in time when they joined. They aren't forgetting guys like Ted - they simply never knew them. It's easy to dismiss Ted's thoughts about research and credit, when you don't have any skin in the game, and that's the case with most T206 collectors. Ted and many of the rest of us, are walking around the new T206 boardroom in our overalls, when there are several in nice suits with polished resumes.

[willworkforT206]

Chris/Ted,

I just happen to have an older copy of the PSA Hindu Population report (dated 2/1/12) in my desk drawer. I did a quick comparison of the Red Hindu populations as of 2/1 vs. today and found a total increase of 48, which appears to be the 42 from the find plus 6 additional submissions.

The 48 new additions to the PSA Population Report since February 1^st are:

360/460 Series (+14 Total)
+1 Brown (Chicago)
+2 Davis (Davis on Front)
+1 Donlin (With Bat)
+2 Downey (Batting)
+2 Johnson (Hands At Chest)
+1 Joss (Pitching)
+1 Murphy (Batting)
+1 Seymor (Throwing)
+1 Snodgrass (Catching)
+1 Street (Catching)
+1 Sweeney (Fielding)

“Super Prints” (+5 Total)
+2 Chance (Yellow)
+1 Chase (Blue)
+2 Cobb (Red)

460 Series (+29 Total)
+4 Crandall (With Cap)
+2 Devore
+1 Duffy
+3 Ford
+2 Gandil
+4 Geyer
+3 Hummel
+3 McGraw (Glove Hip)
+2 Pfeffer
+1 Tannehill
+4 Wheat

I believe Murphy (Batting) is a previously unconfirmed subject.

Obvioulsy, I cannot determine which 6 cards above are not part of the find (48 – 42 = 6). However, for what it's worth, we do know that the find includes 13 HOFers. Since there are 16 HOFers listed above, that means 3 HOFers above were submitted outside the find. Knowing that, then we can conclude that the other 3 cards submitted outside the find were non-HOFers.

The PSA grades vary greatly, with most falling in the range of 2 and 4. The Cobbs are both low grade (A and 1). Some of the more interesting additions (HOFers and higher grades) are as follows:

PSA Authentic – Cobb (Red)
PSA 1 - Brown (Chicago), Chance (Yellow), Cobb (Red)
PSA 1.5 - Wheat
PSA 2 – Gandil, Wheat
PSA 3 – Joss (Pitching), Chance (Yellow)
PSA 3Q – McGraw (Glove Hip)
PSA 3.5 – McGraw (Glove Hip), Pfeffer
PSA 4 – both Johnson (Hands At Chest), Duffy, Gandil, McGraw (Glove Hip), Wheat, Chase, two Crandall (With Cap), Tannehill
PSA 4.5 – Wheat, Pfeffer
PSA 6Q - Davis (Davis on Front)

Other than the PSA 6Q Davis (Davis on Front), none of the cards graded above a 4.5.

Hope this helps.

Steve

[atx840]

Great info, someone call Wonka on the Murphy!!

Most of the 6 others are from the recent 13 "Texas find". I am certain on the following except for one of the Wheat's, not sure if both were submitted.

PSA 1 - Brown (Chicago)
PSA 1.5 - Wheat
PSA 3 – Joss (Pitching)
PSA 4 – Wheat, Crandall (With Cap)

I am not sure about this but correct me if I am wrong. If I started a web site like T206 resource I could sell banner space on the site right? There in turn make a profit from the site irregardless of the info used. The better and more accurate the info is the more traffic flow it would receive, more traffic turns into a better advertising site, and more advertisers want to buy a spot generating a cash flow. It could be $10 or $10k for all I know. Another scenario is the info would be used and printed into a book in turn being sold for a profit. This is just my thoughts as to why more info is not just publicly shared.

BTW congrats Kyle on the grades received on your Texas find. I hope they do well in auction or where ever they land.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I am not sure about this but correct me if I am wrong. If I started a web site like T206 resource I could sell banner space on the site right? There in turn make a profit from the site irregardless of the info used. The better and more accurate the info is the more traffic flow it would receive, more traffic turns into a better advertising site, and more advertisers want to buy a spot generating a cash flow. It could be $10 or $10k for all I know. Another scenario is the info would be used and printed into a book in turn being sold for a profit. This is just my thoughts as to why more info is not just publicly shared.

Yeah, but....

[philliesphan]

Great info., Steve -- thank you!

No Phillies in this list of new Red Hindu's.

:-(