Old Judge question

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

If you give any card two separate numbers, and on of those numbers is found on the card itself, and the other number isn't, then which number is really the number of the card? I'll tell you that it is the number found on the card. The CSGB can give it whatever number they wish, but so could anyone, and in that perspective the Mack could have an infinite amount of numbers associated with it... but you are missing something quite obvious... despite the potentially infinite amount of numbers a card could have, there is an actually number printed on the card itself that it does have.

The CSGB, they can use whatever methods they wish, but that doesn't mean the card is really number 252-2. Same for SGC. They could say that a Burns card is "1887 Old Judge" although it is says "Copyright 1889" on it, they have a right to call it whatever they want. If they wanted to call it a 625 B.C. Old Judge, they could call it that, but that wouldn't make it any more produced in 625 B.C. than in was in 1887. No matter what their methods, both of those numbers are equally wrong because it was really produced in 1889.

So by your standards, anything could be called anything if some grading company or cartophilic society said so. If they decided to call a "hat" a "shoe", and vice versa, you'd be putting shoes on your head and walking down to the drugstore in your new pair of hats. Now, they might have their reasons for doing it, but that is their business - I know what a hat and I know what a shoe is, and I've never walked to the drugstore in my new pair of hats or worn shoes on my head. Not sure if you can say the same.

Wow, I don't know what is so hard for you to understand about this. The two numbers are not associated nor are they replacements. Also I was the one that pointed out that there are several years of cards that the TPGs don't acknowledge. Read through the posts again.

The CSGB numbers are for the poses themselves. They help to oragnize what pose can be found in each subset of Old Judges they do not diminish the numbers on the short number of "0" series cards. You can still use the short number's number on the card to build a set for just that set, but if you want to build across all the years and layouts it is good to know what pose can be found across each set. Not every sub set of N172 has a number on it and the two that do have contradicting numbers. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE INTERCHANGEABLE.

Number on the card is the number in the set
Number from CSGB is the number used for the pose
Not every pose is found in the short number or 0 Series cards so there are many cars without an original number given to them, then to top it off some of those cards that do have numbers contradict numbers in the next set.

So instead of thinking they are replacing the number think of it like this: No one is saying card 0137 is actually 252-2. They are saying card 0137 has pose 252-2 on it. I don't know how I could make this anymore clear to you.

The classification by pose allows people to collect by pose rather than by subset if wanted.