Allow me to share, and contribute. :)

[Al C.risafulli]

My point, and I apologize to Joe if I was too insulting in the way I tried to make it, was that I'm really tired of hearing people insulting grading, the grading industry, and in this case "crossovers" as if people who have opted to go that route are second-class citizens.

I collect graded cards. I like to think that doesn't make me a second-class citizen as I immerse myself in the sets I collect as much as any raw collector I know (except some of those T206 guys like Ted). Meanwhile Joe, who unquestionably has a wealth of card-related knowledge, is spending an awful lot of time criticizing the nature of other people's posts while he himself is, over his last few dozen posts, averaging about 5% card-related subject matter.

As a parallel, I don't collect PCL stuff. When there's a topic on 54 about Zeenuts or Pacific Coast Biscuits, I just don't read it. I don't find a need to start a thread complaining about it. It's all related to the same hobby.

-Al