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Whether its antiques, collectibles, art or real estate...shilling seems to be a commonly used strategy to ensure the hammer price ends up close to or above sellers "reserve" so as to avoid a higher % of "no sales" which is bad for everyone.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSo why should this hobby be immune?  I\'m in no way advocating this in any way.  I think the key is the "reserve."  And the problem is that most of the time the reserve is only known to the actually consigner and sometimes the auctioneer...but not revealed to the public.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd the purpose is obviously to encourage spirited bidding.  And how boring would an auction be if every card had a published reserve around the retail value.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI recently won a card from PWCC...and there was what appeared to me to be very suspicious...likely shill bidding.  I questioned brent and he agreed the bidding was unusual...but he had seen this type of very small incremental bidding to reveal the winning bid before.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd...he said that he knew for sure the next highest bid was legitimate...sooooo.  While I appreciated his time and thought I still was a little buggered thinking as we all do...I could have likely gotten the card cheaper.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nBut maybe this just isn\'t realistic in this day and age with information and data everywhere.  It seems as of the last 10-15 years many have come onto this board asking what a psa 3 cobb(red)...for example is worth...expecting there to be a "market" price for one as if it were an oz. of gold or something.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd we all know there are many other factors that go into the equation than just grade.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSo will shill bidding always be around and might it even propogate further?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSure seems so...unless auctioneers intervene.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI stumbled upon this scientific analysis of shill bidding and possible ways to combat it.  IT\'s very interesting although I skipped all of the calculus...it made my head spin.  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I\'m in no way advocating this in any way.  I think the key is the "reserve."  And the problem is that most of the time the reserve is only known to the actually consigner and sometimes the auctioneer...but not revealed to the public.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd the purpose is obviously to encourage spirited bidding.  And how boring would an auction be if every card had a published reserve around the retail value.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Using a reserve ends up being great for the consignor but as you point out takes on the flavor of more of an asking price which is not in the spirit of an auction where buyers want to feel they set the prices on their own.  I tend to think bids protecting the consignment happen more often than we know.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\n<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				I recently won a card from PWCC...and there was what appeared to me to be very suspicious...likely shill bidding.  I questioned brent and he agreed the bidding was unusual...but he had seen this type of very small incremental bidding to reveal the winning bid before.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd...he said that he knew for sure the next highest bid was legitimate...sooooo.  While I appreciated his time and thought I still was a little buggered thinking as we all do...I could have likely gotten the card cheaper.\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>From what I understand as well as my memory of Brent\'s posts on forums, bidding and bidders have always been legit even if they seem odd.  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pd[1536620] = '<!-' + '- post #1536620 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit1536620" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post1536620" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=1536620&amp;postcount=6" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount1536620" name="6"><strong>6</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post1536620"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				05-08-2016, 03:50 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_1536620">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=616859">Yoda</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Yoda is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1536620", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Joh.n Spen.cer\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2015</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 2,383\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_1536620">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_1536620">\r\n			\r\n			I am really naïve about the nuances of shill bidding, not that I really want to know too many details, but am curious about the end game with a major card<br />\r\nin a major auction with a major auction house.  (Harvard Business School has assuredly already picked up on the Mastro debacle as a good case study.)  Presumably, a shill bidder if his bid won the auction would be held harmless by the consignor and be reimbursed for winning. Some kind of side agreement, I suppose. If there are more things more egregious than paying more for a long coveted card because the price has been driven up by greedy, unfair means, then I can\'t think of it at the moment.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=1536620" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 1536620 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_1536620_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Yoda</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=616859">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=616859" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Yoda</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=616859" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Yoda</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 1536620 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #1536620 -' + '->';
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He has agreed that there have been instances of shill bidding revealed to him and he has cancelled them and claimed that he blocked the consignor/bidder from making any additional bids in his auctions.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>If the shill bidding is going on with Brent\'s auctions, then it is a highly risky procedure. It would also not be the brightest move in the world. Mastro and its spinoff Legendary were caught. Doing it on eBay, although traffic may help to hide the procedure, any entity that would be investigating the behavior would be able to see patterns of behavior and would be able to build a case from that end. The harder part would be linking actions on PWCC\'s end to the alleged shill bidding. 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pd[1536638] = '<!-' + '- post #1536638 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit1536638" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post1536638" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=1536638&amp;postcount=9" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount1536638" name="9"><strong>9</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post1536638"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				05-08-2016, 04:30 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			<td class="alt2"><a href="member.php?u=11009"><img src="image.php?u=11009&amp;dateline=1361068456"   alt="jhs5120\'s Avatar" border="0" /></a></td>\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_1536638">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=11009">jhs5120</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="jhs5120 is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1536638", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJason S!m@nds\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Member\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: May 2010</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 867\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_1536638">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_1536638">\r\n			\r\n			Is there any industry other than sports memorabilia that frowns upon shill bidding?  I have witnessed hundreds of auctions that openly are shilled by the auctioneer (up to a hidden reserve) to garner interest and favorable outcome to the seller.  It seems like sports collectors have turned a bogey man out of an otherwise unanimously accepted positive influence on auction house experiences.  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margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>MetsBaseball1973</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=1536640#post1536640" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">One thing I personally believe is there is a direct correlation among not having the funds to win a desired item, losing an auction, and ranting about shill bidding and rising prices.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>well I started this thread and I have been winning everything in sight lately!\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=1536678" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 1536678 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_1536678_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">ullmandds</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=69">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=69" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to ullmandds</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=69" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by ullmandds</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 1536678 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #1536678 -' + '->';
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Just start bidding at the lowest price that you\'d take.  It\'ll knock out some bidders, but those bidders wouldn\'t have stuck around in a shilled auction either.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt\'s (2) where shilling plays a role, and is pretty unambiguously ethically problematic.  One reason that it\'s ethically problematic is that it sends a signal to bidders that there is a market for this card, when, in fact, there isn\'t.  It\'s a kind of deception.  Another related reason is that bidders are participating in what they reasonably believe to be an honest auction, when it\'s not that at all.  (Both problems could be fixed if the auction house announced ahead of time that shill bidders are going to participate in this auction. But of course that\'s not going to happen.)<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIn any case, I sure hope that auction houses make shillers who win their own items pay the full price (including BP), and send them a check for their share of the sale, which then needs to be reported in income taxes.  If shilling could cost you 30-60% of the value of the item (depending on your tax bracket and local and state tax rates), that at least is some incentive to not do it.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nEBay is a different animal, because the seller can just cancel the auction if it looks like they are likely to win their own card.  Is there any mechanism to discourage this? 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I have witnessed hundreds of auctions that openly are shilled by the auctioneer (up to a hidden reserve) to garner interest and favorable outcome to the seller.  It seems like sports collectors have turned a bogey man out of an otherwise unanimously accepted positive influence on auction house experiences.  Just my two cents.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Prepare to be vilified.  <img src="forum/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" />\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=1536667" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 1536667 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_1536667_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 1536667 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #1536667 -' + '->';
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I have witnessed hundreds of auctions that openly are shilled by the auctioneer (up to a hidden reserve) to garner interest and favorable outcome to the seller.  It seems like sports collectors have turned a bogey man out of an otherwise unanimously accepted positive influence on auction house experiences.  Just my two cents.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>That\'s what Bill Mastro said .\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=1536672" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 1536672 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_1536672_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Jeffrompa</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=6373">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=6373" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Jeffrompa</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=6373" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Jeffrompa</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 1536672 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #1536672 -' + '->';
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If Mastro had put in language in the terms and conditions that stated certain lots have pre-established reserves and will be subject to house bids up to the reserve, than Mastro would not be in jail.  (Assuming he only bid up to the reserve).   <br />\n<br />\nChristie\'s, Sotheby\'s, Phillips and most every big and small auction house in the world has similar language.  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If PWCC included in their auction description that there is a hidden reserve on some lots and may be bid up to that amount by the house, will our hobby accept this?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI don\'t believe the use of hidden reserves (even though legal) is ever an acceptable practice with sports auctions.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=1536735" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 1536735 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_1536735_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">jhs5120</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=11009">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=11009" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to jhs5120</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=11009" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by jhs5120</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 1536735 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #1536735 -' + '->';
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Whether its antiques, collectibles, art or real estate...shilling seems to be a commonly used strategy to ensure the hammer price ends up close to or above sellers "reserve" so as to avoid a higher % of "no sales" which is bad for everyone.<br />\n<br />\nSo why should this hobby be immune?  I\'m in no way advocating this in any way.  I think the key is the "reserve."  And the problem is that most of the time the reserve is only known to the actually consigner and sometimes the auctioneer...but not revealed to the public.  <br />\n<br />\nAnd the purpose is obviously to encourage spirited bidding.  And how boring would an auction be if every card had a published reserve around the retail value.<br />\n<br />\nI recently won a card from PWCC...and there was what appeared to me to be very suspicious...likely shill bidding.  I questioned brent and he agreed the bidding was unusual...but he had seen this type of very small incremental bidding to reveal the winning bid before.<br />\n<br />\nAnd...he said that he knew for sure the next highest bid was legitimate...sooooo.  While I appreciated his time and thought I still was a little buggered thinking as we all do...I could have likely gotten the card cheaper.<br />\n<br />\nBut maybe this just isn\'t realistic in this day and age with information and data everywhere.  It seems as of the last 10-15 years many have come onto this board asking what a psa 3 cobb(red)...for example is worth...expecting there to be a "market" price for one as if it were an oz. of gold or something.<br />\n<br />\nAnd we all know there are many other factors that go into the equation than just grade.<br />\n<br />\nSo will shill bidding always be around and might it even propogate further?<br />\n<br />\nSure seems so...unless auctioneers intervene.<br />\n<br />\nI stumbled upon this scientific analysis of shill bidding and possible ways to combat it.  IT\'s very interesting although I skipped all of the calculus...it made my head spin.  Maybe frank can explain it to us.<br />\n<br />\n<a href="http://oz.stern.nyu.edu/seminar/fa01/1108.pdf" target="_blank">http://oz.stern.nyu.edu/seminar/fa01/1108.pdf</a></div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div><br />\nThe paper referenced above is quite limited in scope and addresses only seller shilling, which, with the author\'s solution, benefits the "auctioneer" greatly.   The system described by all the formulae assumes that the auctioneer is "honest" and would not shill to benefit himself.  It also  fails to address the "new" market value that could occur as the result of a shilled auction and its impact on future auctions.  I would not recommend spending too much time trying to understand what the authors are promoting.  The real world is more complicated and unfortunately this paper does not address real world issues.  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			Not every time has Brent said that his bidding patterns were irregular but honest.  He has agreed that there have been instances of shill bidding revealed to him and he has cancelled them and claimed that he blocked the consignor/bidder from making any additional bids in his auctions.
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		<span class="smallfont"> <a href="showthread.php?t=174063" title="Looking for opinions on this.  I was an under bidder.  This user bids $975, then slams in a $10K bid and retracts.  I initially think the bidder...">Shill bidding?  Need some help.</a></span>
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