1964 Phillies World Series Tickets

[Dean's Cards]

We also need to put a price on Phillies unused tickets in New condition for the 1964 World Series. Games 1,2,6,7.

Any ide awhat these go for? We are looking to price them.

Thanks,

Dean
http://www.deanscards.com

[Potomac Yank]

This site is becoming a pre Iraq war site.

[Leon]

No, actually it's not becoming a pre-Iraq war baseball card site. And this user is getting a formal infraction for this as well. best regards and happy collecting

edited to say- I gave a formal infraction this time because I had already given an informal PM verbal warning a few days ago....he knows.....

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by Leon

No, actually it's not becoming a pre-Iraq war baseball card site. And this user is getting a formal infraction for this as well. best regards and happy collecting

edited to say I gave a formal infraction as I had already given a verbal warning a few days ago....

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Not pre Iraq ... maybe pre Viet Nam.

By the way, what does a formal infraction consist of? ... Water boarding?

[baseball tourist]

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[Bobsbats]

How is it, that on this guys (Dean) site he lists cards, but when you click on them up comes an image, that is not the card to purchase? If you click on the photo of a VG card, up pops an image of a reproduction in NM and it states above the picture " not the actual subject". How is one suppose to tell what you are buying? I say well done Leon !!

[batsballsbases]

Good job Leon! And look he is from Ohio you know what that means! The repro capital of the world!

[Potomac Yank]

Atleast he gives you the option of ... How much do you want to pay for this?

[RichardSimon]

And he asks about the commonest piece of (xxxx) in the ticket market.

[Leon]

Yikes....Dean (hi Dean) is almost sold out too. Only 792,223 cards left in stock (by his counter on the right). I was looking for 792,250 cards; guess I'll have to keep looking.

[Potomac Yank]

Water boarding isn't torture?

[HRBAKER]

The Cardinals will be surprised to hear that the Phillies were in the 1964 World Series. I assume he is talking about phantom tickets.

[FrankWakefield]

I'd think about $20 to $60, for a set of what they call phantom tickets. If in good shape, and if you have a motivated buyer, maybe more. I've got a sheet of phantom White Sox tickets from about '83 or so, somewhere.

The folks here won't scalp you with a dull knife if you post about pre WWII stuff mostly, and if links are to an image instead of self serving...

As a Cardinal fan I recall laying on the floor by a radio, listening to those games in 1964 on the radio. Short and Bunning were good pitchers, but two weren't enough. And the Reds helped. Dad got 2 tickets for games 1, 2, 6, and 7 that year. I begged to go, he said, no, and no, then said I could go if there was a game 7. There was, he took me, and I saw a great 7-5 win over the Yankees, Mantle hit is last WS homer. I recall a wirephoto in the newspapers showing a Philly fan holding his WS tickets...

[tedzan]

With respect to baseball, truer words were never spoken, as your......
"Short and Bunning were good pitchers, but two weren't enough."

Jim Bunning in 1964 went 19-8 with a 2.6 ERA....and, an amazing K/BB ratio of 219/46.
Similarly, Chris Short was 17-9 with a 2.2 ERA....and, an amazing K/BB ratio of 181/51.
For comparison:
Bob Gibson in 1964 went 19-12 with a 3.0 ERA....and, an amazing K/BB ratio of 245/86.

Now, this is somewhat vague in my mind, but with only 19 games to go, the Phillies were ahead of your Cardinals by 6 games.
The Phillies loss in 1964 has to be one of the worst collapses of any team in BB history. Why Gene Mauch didn't give Bunning
and Short a break by inserting Art Mahaffey in the starting rotation ?....Oh Well !

POST SCRIPT

I usually run into Jim Bunning in Cooperstown every HOF weekend. He's a great guy to talk with (I don't bring up the 1964 season).

In the early 1980's I had two great experiences with Chris Short at Tony Carrafiell's BB card show in Valley Forge (PA). A big guy is
at my table and is looking for Bowman Phillies cards. I show him an album full of Phillies to select from. A big smile is on his face as
he starts removing Bowman's from the plastic sheets. Tony Carrafiell comes over and greets the big guy...."Hi Chris". I then recog-
nized this big fellow....Chris Short. I pulled over a chair behind my table and told Chris to have a seat and take his time. We had a
great time "talkin' baseball", while he cleaned me out of the Phillies cards from my album. I gave Chris a really nice price for the lot
and he was thrilled. As he gave me a "bone crushing" handshake, he asked if I had any more Bowman's. I replied that I have more
at home. The next day Chris returned and I had more Phillies cards for him. The big guy was just like a little kid in a candy store.
Needless to say, Chris made my show that weekend.

Best regards,

TED Z

[barrysloate]

Ted- did you know that on the last day of the 1965 season, against the Mets, Chris Short pitched a 15 inning shutout with 18 strikeouts, and got a no decision? The game ended an 18 inning scoreless tie. You can look it up- October 2, 1965.

Edited to add I just looked it up and it was the second to last day- minor detail.

[tedzan]

I didn't know that, thanks for telling us. Gee, it appears that Bunning and Short were "bad news" guys
as far as the Mets were concerned in those days.

And, of course Jim Bunning on June 21, 1964 (Father's Day) pitched a Perfect game at Shea Stadium.
He only threw 90 pitches and 79 of them were strikes.....that's some amazing pitching. Also, Bunning
contributed to the 6-0 score, by driving in 2 runs with a Double.

TRIVIA ?

What was significant about this Perfect game ?


TED Z

[Rich Klein]

1) Fathers Day

2) I believe that made Bunning the 1st pitcher to toss no-hitters in each league in the 20th century. Cy Young had done that feat but his NL no-hitter was in the 19th century.

3) Rick Wise would win his 1st major league game in the 2nd game of the double header. Rick Wise's RC also includes this great typo for the other player pictured:

This 19 year-old right hander is only 18 years old.

4) Bunning also joined a very exclusive group to have pitched both a perfect game and another no-hitter. Cy Young and Addie Joss had already done that; Sandy Koufax (the next year); Mark Buehrle and Randy Johnson would join that group in the next 45 years.

Anything I missed

Regards
Rich

[Potomac Yank]

This site is becoming post Viet Nam War.

[tedzan]

Your warm....but, not the precise answer I'm looking for.

TED Z

[Rich Klein]

The only no-hitter pitched by a person who later became a US Senator

We'd add political commentary here; whilst we have a chance

Rich

[barrysloate]

It was also pitched the same day that civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Charney, and Michael Schwerner were murdered in Mississippi, but I don't think that is the answer Ted is looking for either.

P.S.- Ted, I will call you tomorrow morning.

[Rich Klein]

The 1st no-no pitched in Shea Stadium; in the 1st year Shea was used as a stadium

[David W]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I didn't know that, thanks for telling us. Gee, it appears that Bunning and Short were "bad news" guys
as far as the Mets were concerned in those days.

And, of course Jim Bunning on June 21, 1964 (Father's Day) pitched a Perfect game at Shea Stadium.
He only threw 90 pitches and 79 of them were strikes.....that's some amazing pitching. Also, Bunning
contributed to the 6-0 score, by driving in 2 runs with a Double.

TRIVIA ?

What was significant about this Perfect game ?


TED Z

Didn't Bunning have around 10 children, making Fathers Day a fitting time to pitch such a gem?

[tedzan]

David W

At that time Bunning had 7 children.


HINT....
I'm surprised that you pre-war BB history guys have not yet answered this Trivia ?
It should be easy.

TED Z

[Rich Klein]

It was also the 1st perfect game in the NL in the 20th century and the 1st one pitched in a regular season game since 1922.

Rich

[tedzan]

So far, you are correct....and getting closer to the answer.

TED Z

[Rich Klein]

Sometimes trying to figure out what you want is too mind bending!

Bunning's no-hitter also ended a 58 year streak of no no-hitters for the Phillies.

Rich

[tedzan]

Come on, Rich. I gave you a hint, the operative word being "pre-war" (think pre-WWI).


TED Z

[barrysloate]

Rich- Ted told me the answer, and I agree it is hard to figure out what he is looking for. But think really early, think pre- Spanish American War.

[Rich Klein]

For I'll never figure this out

Rich

[barrysloate]

Ted told me I could reveal the answer...first perfect game in the National League since John Richmond in 1880. I know Rich, the answer is easy, it's the question that's impossible.

[Rich Klein]

It was also the 1st perfect game in the NL in the 20th century and the 1st one pitched in a regular season game since 1922.

Rich

[barrysloate]

Ted must have missed it...and me too.

[tedzan]

The very 1st PERFECT game was pitched by.....
John Richmond, Worcester Ruby Legs (NL) vs. Cleveland Blues on June 12, 1880 (score 1-0). That same
week John Ward, Providence Grays vs. Buffalo Bisons pitched a Perfect game on June 17, 1880 (score 5-0).

The significance of Jim Bunning's Perfect game is....it took 84 years for another one in the NL to occur. There
have been 16 Perfect games since those events in 1880. The American Lge. leads in this statistic.



For anyone who hasn't seen an uncut sheet of these "phantom" tickets......





TED Z

[Dean's Cards]

Hi Guys. thanks for the answers. Sorry again for posting the question in the wrong spot! My bad. I have not used the site much and I will try to make sure I post in the correct spot next time.

Dean's Cards tweets, blogs, facebooks, sends out a newsletter, posts on You Tube - but we have not figured out the complex net54 yet! I will keep working on it.

Thanks again for helping put a price on some of these items. We get thousands of visitors to the site each day and as a result buy almost 1000 collections a year. The cards are easy to price, but sometimes it is hard to know what to pay for this "one off" stuff!

We bought these 1964 Phillies World Series tickets about 5 years ago and we just never got around to putting them online to sell. For that price, they will probably go back on the shelf.

Take Care,

Dean

[Rich Klein]

Sometimes a little research solves many issues

http://cgi.ebay.com/FP-1964-PHANTOM-...item53dde35d5b

I did a quick search on (1964, 64) Phillies ticket* and did see a lot similar to yours sell at this price recently.

As stated; these are pretty common within the hobby but, based on this sale, you could certainly put a $50 SRP on your item and be willing to take offers. And that's not a bad price to accept to sell.

This board is wonderful with getting help when needed! But remember this part *IS* primarily a pre-World War 2 card board. Other aspects of Net 54 Baseball can help you with this item; such as the Memorabilia forum

Regards
Rich