V61 Neilson's Chocolates

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Posted By: MEWheat

Is anyone on the VBC a relative expert on this issue? Can anyone tell me how much of a premium exists between Type I cards (thin paper stock) and Type II (cardboard)?

I actively watch past transactions on eBay but the set is so thinly traded it is difficult to pick up the nuances.

Any help anyone can provide on card scarcities, population reports for Type I & II, or background info would be appreciated.

MEWheat

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Posted By: leon

I am probably not an expert on them but do follow them a little bit. I have never seen a premium placed on 1 or the other.....maybe others will know more?

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

It has long been stated that the Type 2's are tougher than Type 1's and they usually listed with a premium in the guides over Type 1's. I however do not believe this to be true. I probably see slightly more Type 2's than 1's, but they are probably about equal.

Also, an important point to be made in regard to this set is that the Type 1's are on a thin paper stock and are often found pretty beat up. Type 2's are pretty hearty (thick stock) cards and are usually found in better shape. Invariably, if one sees a highly graded Neilson's it is gonna be a Type 2.

Personally I like the Type 1's better as they are numberred, on whiter paper stock, and have the much more ornate back printing of the words "Neilson's," and are tougher to find in presentable condition.

-Rhett

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Posted By: leon

If push came to shove I actually would be opposite and say I have seen slightly more type 1's than 2's.....and agree they are probably close to equal. Here is a visual....

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Posted By: Kevin Andrews

I would tend to agree with Rhett. I have a total of 40 V61 cards in my collection - (7) Type 1 and (33) Type 2. From watching ebay over the last several years the Type 2 cards seem to be much more available and don't seem to sell for a premium. If I had to guess I'd say the Type 1 cards actually sell for slightly more because they aren't offered as often and are better looking in my opinion.

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Posted By: Craig W

I agree with Rhett and Kevin that the Type 2's are seen more often than Type 1's. I'm still looking for a Type 1 Frisch to pair with my Type 2.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I think that Type II cards are better looking with the ornate lattered backs. Conditionwise, I'd say the ones I own are again split evenly. The nicest one I have is a Type II SGC 70 Heilmann.

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Posted By: MEWheat

Thanks for the responses. I've also received private responses to my request for information, one of which I am posting (with permission) below. Thanks Brian & Mike at BMW Cards,

"...I have been studying these for many years and now believe that the numbered cards (thin stock, Type I) were printed in Canada for distribution only in the United States. The unnumbered (thick stock, Type II) were also printed in Canada but only distributed in Canada. To this day, almost every single Type I we have purchased from original collections are based in the United States and you only see Type IIs in Canada. Several veteran collectors and dealers have confirmed this.

William Neilson's company began modestly in the late 19th Century as an ice cream maker and by the middle of the second decade of the 20th Century was the world's largest manufacturer of chocolate candy. The dawn of the 1920s was also the beginning of trading card inserts in Canadian candy and the Neilson bar was no exception. Based on this early success with premiums, my belief is that the product was exported to the United States with very limited success.

Type IIs are at least twice as easy to find and typically in much nicer shape than the thin stocked and very fragile Type Is. No known scarcities exist. I would place a significant premium on any Type I in EX or better condition and a Type II in EM or better shape..."

Thanks again for the responses.

MEWheat