Very interesting history on the Wagner psa 8/trim

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Posted By: joe brennan

Brian, Ok so the Wagners were printed on a sheet. How come only 1 Wagner was on that sheet and not a whole vertical row like all other T206's. If this Wagner was cut from a sheet and it was the only one, then it's a reprint from the 50's. No other explaination is possible, unless of course they decided to print this one sheet different from evey other T206 sheet ever made. Agreed?

In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: peter chao

Joe,

If the Wagner is a reprint, then PSA missed it when they were grading and we know that's not possible.

Peter

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Posted By: William Heitman

There is an interesting part of the PSA 8 Wagner discussion that usually is ignored. Bruce McNall made his "fortune" in coins. The creator of PSA was also the man who owned PCGS, the coin grading company. The guy who actually graded the Wagner also had a background in coins and was really a relative newcomer to cards. He was at my home shortly before he graded the Wagner, and after, and we debated grading that card. Despite very serious misgivings at that time, he stated to me "We HAVE to grade that card." I understood exactly what he meant.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Mike, you are obviously new and have no clue as to why this board was founded and its history. If you did, you would know why I and others were upset with the introduction of banner ads. As for other "trivial" items on your list, I hope you are being sarcastic, because most of those issues are far from trivial.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: joe brennan

Kinda like finding out there's no Santa Claus. Today, I cherish my mid to low grade T206's more than ever.

In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: Bob C

Ebay actually killed my auction for this rare gem a couple of years ago...

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Joe,
If the Wagner in question were on a small horizontal strip of 5-6 cards than there would only be one to cut out. While I have heard all of the stories and did see a picture of the Oversized Wagner at one point, I have never seen a picture of "the sheet" it came from.

Be well Brian

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Posted By: Cobby33

Maybe Monty Python should do a Holy Grail II, regarding the follies of this (these) cards. Maybe we should cast Board members are the players in this new movie??? I'll withhold my thoughts...

Also- it should come as no surprise that the grading companies give "big customers" preferential treatment (which was the subject of another thread). Although I don't think it necessarily bastardizes the whole industry, it does have the potential to lower their credibility.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Interesting uncut sheet trivia of the day:

The 1984 Topps/Nestle Set (limited parallel to the regular Topps set, but with a special Nestle symbol) was
issued to the public in large uncut sheets, not as single cards. Some dealers cut down many of the sheets
into sets of single cards. As the complete sheets are relatively common and most collectors prefer
single cards to a large sheet, this is the rare case where the complete set is worth more in singles form
than in uncut sheet form ... And if you purchase a single card, it's not factory cut as the factory never
cut them ... I'm sure Don Mattingly collectors are familiar with the set, as it includes a rookie Mattingly
much rarer than the regular Topps card.