Tris Speaker E-Cards

Archive · #1 01-10-2007, 10:57 AM

Posted By: nbrazil

Is it me, or does Speaker appear in less than the normal number of candy sets produced in the early 1900's for a Hall of Famer? He appears in the e90-1, e91-c, e94 and e300 sets (only counting before the cracker jack issues). He does have plenty of tobacco issues. Any idea as to why this is the case?

thanks in advance

Archive · #2 01-10-2007, 11:00 AM

Posted By: JK

You are correct. Though I thought he appeared in some others. I can think of e106 right off the bat.

Archive · #3 01-10-2007, 11:05 AM

Posted By: JK

other e issues with speaker: 125, 224, 254, 270, 271, 286.

Archive · #4 01-10-2007, 11:08 AM

Posted By: robert a

Tris Speaker and Walter Johnson were fairly young during the color e card peak. WJ is not in any.

Rob

Archive · #5 01-10-2007, 11:08 AM

Posted By: JimB

I don't know the dates of his career off hand, but he may have been too young and relatively unknown. The caramel sets were small and mostly filled with the stars of the day. He only had one T206 when most HOFs have multiple cards.
JimB

Archive · #6 01-10-2007, 11:09 AM

Posted By: Paul

Maybe he just wasn't considered that big a star in the 1908-1910 era.

Archive · #7 01-10-2007, 11:12 AM

Posted By: nbrazil

he does have plenty more T cards than E cards during that time frame (T206, T3, T205, T202, T207, to name a few), though. did T cards have a lower threshold for "celebrity" than E cards? Since E cards are generally smaller, that may be the case.

Archive · #8 01-10-2007, 11:13 AM

Posted By: nbrazil

speaker's stats

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_stats/Hitting/Speaker_Tris.htm

Archive · #9 01-10-2007, 11:18 AM

Posted By: JimB

Looks like he was on steroids from 1922-25.
JimB

Archive · #10 01-10-2007, 11:28 AM

Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The E90-1 Speaker was printed in the last series and is extremely tough to find.

T-Rex TED

Archive · #11 01-10-2007, 12:22 PM

Posted By: Peter Thomas

Nice Stats - few K's

Archive · #12 01-10-2007, 03:42 PM

Posted By: fkw

Throw in the "D" and "T" cards that have the same "E" fronts then the numbers even out. He is in the D303-1, D303-2, T216, and all of these have the E90-1 style front.

Archive · #13 01-10-2007, 05:16 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Most of the early E cards get produced in 1909. And based on what the player was doing in 1908 and before. Most E sets are small, so only the stars appear in the sets.

Speaker was in 7 games in 1907, 31 games in 1908. Hardly enough to warrant getting jammed into a 25 card set. That would average out to the top 1 1/2 stars from each team. Even with the "series of 50" E cards, E101, that averages the top 3 of each team. Speaker doesn't make that.

As for him being in T206... he is, but just with one card. And that is a series 350 card, so think 1910 on it. Speaker didn't even make the top 150 on that.

So was he a star, yes. Should he be in the Hall, yes. Was he a great hitter and center fielder, YES. Should he have been in a 25 card set of the top players in 1909... no.

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