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Posted By: Rich Klein
From the Old Judge (Lew Lipset) review of the Copeland Collection Sale. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The vintage card market in general was lackluster in 1991. Copeland did not pick an ideal time to sell. |
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Posted By: Richard Masson
Speaking of Copeland, does anyone out there know definitively why he sold when he did? It seemed very abrupt to me. He bought everything in sight for a short period and then turned around and sold everything. Odd, to say the least. I have heard numerous theories, but none ring true to me. |
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Posted By: Dustan Hedlin
I was 10 years old in 1991, but if I had been interested in pre-war then....ugh, I don't want to think of the kind of collection I could have today. My dad was into collecting then, and he was the one with the money (and easy to talk into purchases too |
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Posted By: barrysloate
There was a story that a baseball card dealer in San Luis Obispo was murdered in his store, and that was Jim's hometown. That apparently made him extremely nervous, but I think he was also getting burned out because he was getting bombarded nearly daily from dealers who had something to sell him. I never spoke to him directly, but had a couple of dealers I could ask to broker for me when I had something I wanted to move. So this is to some degree speculation. |
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Posted By: Rich Klein
Nothing was hotter than the "new card" market in 1991. Stores opening up right and left; almost all of them specializing in new cards. I could go to six shows in the Detroit area on an average Sunday (I did that as part of a business trip); I could go to a show in the NY Metropolitan area almost every night of the week -- and if there was not a show -- there was an auction. |
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Posted By: Jay
I can just envision the interview. "We entered the room and sat down. One of us questioned him whilst the other one of us took notes". Happy holidays to all! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jay- have you ever heard this one: |
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Posted By: Jay
I have, but we always enjoy hearing it again |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Touche! |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
I'm a believer that most collectors in it for the long haul have a focus to what they collect, which they constantly refine and perhaps augment over time. Copeland, on the other hand, didn't fit this mold. He seemed to collect practically everything, which is why he was continually being bombarded by dealers wanting to sell him things. Whenever he would learn about something else out there he didn't have, he had to have it. It's like the rich boy who for a time has a fancy for something, spends like crazy to satisfy his yearning, then gets tired of it and sells out. I remember being at a card show in the late 80's with a long time collector who told me his prediction that Copeland would sell out in the relatively near future. And he was right. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I agree with Corey, and our late friend Walter who made that prediction. The collectors most likely to burn out are the ones who have to have everything all at once and show little patience for building a collection over time. |
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Posted By: jeff drum
Barry, |
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Posted By: Joe D.
"The collectors most likely to burn out are the ones who have to have everything all at once and show little patience for building a collection over time." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Joe- you won't burn out so fast. You will eventually find a rhythm and a love for the hobby and stick with it. Copeland had multi-thousand dollar packages arriving nearly daily. I think he just had enough. |
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Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
20 individuals seems low to me since we have at least 5-7 regular posters here that I think do on occasion pay that much for a card. It would be interesting to see the buyers list from say the last 10 auctions from one of the major auction houses though. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
The estimate of how many people can afford five-figure cards is wrong. Let's not confuse able to purchase with willing to purchase. I'd hazard a guess that most of the frequent posters here spend into five figures a year on cards and could buy a $20,000 card but that many of them may not want to. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
There are MANY, MANY people here who spend well into 5 figures approaching 6 figures annually without ever spending $5K on a single card. Many people, as discussed previously, are mid-range 4-6 type collectors who value clean, but not perfect cards. And many of the people here collect issues that just CAN'T be found in the condition to warrant that type of expense. Anyway, would be cool to see what Copeland would have brought in 2006 dollars........ |
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Posted By: Rich Klein
Was trade show night of the 1991 National. We had entered the building early to go to the seminars and had no idea about the whirlwind going on outside. |
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Posted By: leon
Bruce- First of all thanks for taking out the "we" and "our" from most of your statements. You irritate people far less when you do that. I am not sure you care but I am just letting you know. Second of all you said, to paraphrase: |
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Posted By: Bob
Was the 1991 show in Arlington (Dallas)? I am trying to remember if this was the National I went to with my dad... |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Adam, |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Bob: It was the infamous Anaheim show that drew over 100,000 people in four days and became the ridiculous benchmark against which future National attendance was measured. Every time the press says the hobby has collapsed it is that darn show that they use as the high water mark. |
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Posted By: Richard
Bruce mentions 20 people who are willing to spend 20k on a "19th century item." |
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