This Napolean decided he was too good for a 4

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Posted By: MikeW

Anyone notice this?

It looks like Nap found a new holder to call home, complete with a new price tag. I haven't put forth any energy into this... just noticed it. $600 more for the same card 2 months later... wow.

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Lajoie-Portrait-PSA-4_W0QQitemZ8826778030QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-NAP-LAJOIE-PORTRAIT-PSA-5_W0QQitemZ220012424440QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31718QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Rick (calleocho)

If you are going to throw some mud around ...maybe it would be a good idea to "put some energy" into it.

The people involved could be boardmembers, well liked and respected dealers who have done quite a lot for the well-being of the hobby.

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Posted By: jay behrens

not sure how this rates as mudslinging. He pointed out that someone took a PSA4 Lajoie, resubmitted it and got a 5. Given PSA's recent lax grading, more power to anyone that resubmits and takes advantage of it. I just feel sorry for the people that overpay for these overgraded cards.

Jay

A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: quan

i've had plenty of cards that i thought were undergraded, only to be seen in higher holders after they leave me. probably most people here have had that experience, stuff happens...

edited for my immigrant-like grammar...spoken with a thick asian accent (for those that have met me in person )

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Posted By: fkw

What happened to the white chip spot on the uniform "N" in "CLEVELAND"???

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Posted By: Steve M.

it may have been on the original scan or on the original holder and not on the card???

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Posted By: Paul Moss

Yep, severely undergraded, and I wish that I was the one that purchased it off ebay at that price, but it was a good bump and a profitable one as well for me. As for your chip on the uniform's N, I believe that was a tiny piece of plastic flash in the holder. If you'll look at the lettering and border at the bottom of the card, you'll see that there's a chip also. If, by some dubious means, I could make chips vanish, that one would gone to the twilight zone as well. Nice try though! Kindly notice that the pink stain on the reverse is still there, and I'm sure that some of you bathing enthusiasts would have had that card in some sort of soapy solution faster than a speeding bullet.


Got another bump here as well:

From this:



To this:



Made a whole $50 on this one!, less grading fees, ebay fees, etc..........and you ask, why is this maniac getting excited over this card? Pretty simple really, I had quite a few come back from PSA one or even two grades lower. Can't win them all. Still, it's better than having them come back "evid. of trimming" etc., like that ever happens! LOL It is a two way street afterall.

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Posted By: jay behrens

no way that Speaker should grade that well. It's almost missing the top boarder. The SGC grade was more accurate, but getting the best grade has officially been a game for a long time now. As evidenced by the Lajoie, it can pay off big time, especially given that PSA has lets so many overgraded and missed trimmed jobs thru.

Jay

A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: Anonymous

The Speaker is no gem, but it is totally free of any creasing or marks and with nice color. How about we call it a 3+ on a bad day, 4- on a good one, depending of course whether you're buying or selling.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

There could be a couple of reasons why the Lajoie portrait card graded better (if in fact the cards are the same):

• Grading subjectivity
  
• Two more beers at lunch time (by the grader)
  
• It's who ya know...
  

Also, I have to agree with Jay (because I don't want to get my head bitten off and I don't want to be brow beaten ) about the Speaker card. Look at the PSA grading criteria, it doesn't appear to meet the T/B centering criteria. It should (at least) have an OC qualifier.

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Posted By: John S

I do not believe the original poster was being negative about the seller. The seller is simply using the system to his/her advantage. People are definitely buying holders not cards.

Regarding the Speaker, what happened to PSA's qualifiers?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

John S.

"People are definitely buying holders not cards."

Your words ring so true....and I actually proved this at the May Philly Show.

At my booth in the Show I displayed an EMPTY labelled PSA 8 plastic holder (the
card that I removed from it is immaterial) and I had some "dufusses" actually
interested in this plastic holder.

"Believe it or Not" this actually happened more than once. But, most collectors
that saw it had a good laugh.

Incidently, I recently sold a cleaner looking Lajoie portrait, GAI 5, for $800.
Did I sell it too cheap ?

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Posted By: Bill K@sel

I don't see any mudslinging either. More power to the seller/submitter if they can get a higher grade. I "migrated" several PSA graded cards to SGC purely for asthetic purposes and on several occasions SGC graded the card higher than PSA. Examples:

PSA 4 Huggins to SGC60 (broke out and sent in)SOLD
PSA 1 Cobb Red to SGC20 (" " " " ")
PSA 1 Chance Yellow to SGC30 (" " " " ")
PSA 2 Wallace to SGC 40 (" " " " ")

All but one cross-over made the cut. GAI3 Tinker didn't cut the mustard, but overgrading by GAI isn't uncommon. Most examples can be seen at my sight below.

My personal collection - http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/

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Posted By: dd

Buy the card, not the holder, said the parrot.

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Posted By: anthony

quan, you speak with a thick asian accent because you are asian...at least you were the last time i met with you to pick up a card...lol

anthony

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Posted By: Richard

Although Quan is doing his best to assimilate by dyeing his hair blonde

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Posted By: jay behrens

is he getting blue contact lenses too?

Jay

A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: MikeW

I was suprised to read I was attempting to "mudsling". I just thought it was interesting how the same card could sell for more than double 2 months later.

I agree, more power to the benefactor. We all would like to be able to flip cards with such success I think.

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Posted By: dan mckee

The beauty of grading. What changed about the card to make it go from a 4 to a 5? Did it improve with age? My entire collection less a few cards, is raw. Unfortunately if I ever sell, a bunch should be graded. I still don't quite get it. Someone paid in excess of $2500 for a 1958 topps card that was worth about $25. But... it had a very pretty 9 on the holder. I am sure the 9 was placed there by an expert though. I guess that is what makes the item.

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Posted By: Brian C Daniels

but here is one from the National~





when Quan dies his hair blonde he can pal around with Dan Koteles!