I hope I'm not stepping on toes here, but...

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Posted By: tbob

can someone please explain to me how this T206 Matty got a PSA 4 grade???? I have had PSA 2s look a lot better than this. No offense to the seller, but I am shocked.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T206-CHRISTY-MATHEWSON-PORTRAIT-PSA-VG-EX-4_W0QQitemZ8759341997QQcategoryZ31718QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

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Posted By: James Feagin

That is a travesty. I wonder if it yet another WIWAG. By the way Tbob, get my e-mail?

James

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Posted By: pete ullman

i am surprised as well...that card's not even a 3?

preferential tx or a blind eye I suppose!

pete in mn

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Posted By: Anonymous

that is a recently graded ..not WIWAG unless they are or someone else is still operating a card switchng scam.

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Posted By: bigfish

gross

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

What is a WIWAG??? I appologize for my ignorance. About all I know about graded cards is that I strongly dislike them. But the grading on this Matty looks outrageously generous.

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Posted By: Tim James

Notice that the bidding is blazing away at a scorching $1.25 !! At least it isn't trimmed.

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Posted By: Anson

I was still thinking Pete was a doctor. But, I don't know his Hx.

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Posted By: pete ullman

huh?

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Posted By: Joe P.

Is sometimes scary.

Should I change it to?:

Graders are sometimes Fantastic with sides and corners.

You gotta admit, at a buck twenty five, ..... itsa hell of an investment.

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Posted By: Tim James

I would be happy to bid if it still at a $1.25 6 days from now.Just make sure your max bid is to the power of 2 not 3.

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Posted By: Joe P.

It really isn't all that bad.

Com-on Bigfish ... you can swing it ..... go for it.

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Posted By: Tim James

Yea,when we are too old to swing bats we have to swing what is in our hip pocket.A graded Matty will always bring a good price.I'm sure this will go up.Honestly,if this weren't in a PSA or other holder,just by looking at the scan,many here would call it a fake.I would be one to include in that group.You guys remember the O'Hara scan? I bit the big one calling that.

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Posted By: JimB

WIWAG (When It Was A Game) was a dealer that got busted by the FBI for buying PSA graded cards, breaking them out and replacing them and resealing them with lesser conditioned cards. I think they had a slabbing machine and the same slabs.

For example, they would buy a PSA 4 Matty portrait. Break open the slab. Take out the VG/EX card and reslab the label with their machine and put a good Matty inside, which they obviously got for a lot less money. When people would buy holders instead of cards, they could make a lot of money that way on ebay, etc. They could sell a gd Matty for a vg/ex price. Maybe then they would buy a PSA Ex 5 Matty, break it open and reseal the PSA 5 label with the vg/ex card, etc.

THere are still some WIWAG slabbed cards around.
JimB

edited for spelling

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Posted By: Joe Jones

I think I have one a psa 4 with paper loss on the back.

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Posted By: Tim James

This looks like a prime candidate.

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Posted By: Anonymous

no..this Matty card was recently graded.

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Posted By: Tim James

The issue isn't how recently the card was graded,but the seal that is in place.Scans can be deceiving(check my edits).This one could go either way.

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Posted By: quan

ok so the case looks a little cloudy all the way around...but i felt maybe if you turn your scanner way up to sharpen the image, you might also get that cloudy effect...so i tested it:

card on ebay:


my card with sharpen setting way up:


the white cloudy "frames" the ebay card much more noticeably. i'm not certain either way but that's a terribly overgraded card that even an untrained monkey can see.

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Posted By: Tim James

The 5 looks way batter than the 4.