Salesmanship? Somebody, please wake me up!

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

This is pretty funny. I know that people probably hate reading these threads but this actually has some entertainment value to it.


http://cgi.ebay.com/1915-CRACKER-JACK-TY-COBB-30_W0QQitemZ5244588050QQcategoryZ86841QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

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Posted By: Brian

Just brought this topic up in the chat room...haven't seen this scam lately

Brian

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Posted By: warshawlaw

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

see title

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Posted By: barrysloate

The guy slides a fake card into an unsealed PSA sleeve- what can PSA do about it except to realize that they should not print up labels that are affixed to unsecured holders.

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Posted By: leon

It looks like, with the ? mark, that PSA made the right decision on thinking this particular card is fake. Did I miss something?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Aren't we talking about a holder that reads "authentic" with a card that reads "I'm fake."

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Posted By: jay behrens

The holder says "?Authtct" which I would assume is shorthand for questionable autheticity. As pointed out, been a while since I've seen this scam too, but it's easy enough. SUbmit fake card to PSA. It gets kicked back with a PSA flip where the question mark can be easily overlooked by an overeager bidder thinking it is authentic.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

The label says "? Authtct" which is PSA's designation for Questionable Authenticity - PSA did their job in this case.

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Posted By: barrysloate

"Authtct" or whatever it reads is a goofy abbreviation for "Questionable authenticity" and the card in the holder is 0% authentic. So at the very least the seller switched cards and is preying on the novice.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

If the seller would have indicated that the card was rejected because of (obviously) questionable authenticity then the auction would be fine - a bit odd, but it would be fine. Instead the item description reads as follows:

YOU ARE BIDDING ON A 1915 CRACKER JACK TY COBB #30. THE CARD WILL COME IN A CARD HOLDER WITH THE PSA AUTHENTICATION STICKER AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE

Bid with Confidence

To an unknowing peron this could be the real deal, a PSA label and a card that matches the description. I can already hear what's coming - you shouldn't buy something if you don't know what it is. What if someone was buying it as a present for somebody? They wouldn't know any better. This just wreaks of being an auction that is using deceptive tactics.

My brother, for example, bought me an N28 and N162 baseball cards over 20 years ago. He hadn't a clue what he was buying. Luckily I found out the seller was from Centereach, NY and all was fine. It would have been pretty bad if the cards were reprints because my brother wouldn't have known any better until after I told him they were fake (which didn't happen in this case).

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Posted By: barrysloate

There's no question that a skilled grader at PSA would never believe that that card had even a remote possibility of being real. The card in that holder is not the one they looked at; it was switched. They should never print a label like that and attach it to a holder that is not secure.

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Posted By: sagard

The card wasn't switched. The card is fake and PSA did not grade it. It was returned to the submitter as "? AUTHENTC", which is their nice way of saying they don't think it's real.

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Posted By: barrysloate

The word "NOT" as in "not authentic" does not appear anywhere on the label. The "?" suggests even to me that they couldn't determine whether or not it was real. If the card wasn't switched, then PSA needs to issue a clearer label.

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Posted By: Aron

That is pretty funny, people like that suck.


edited again by moderator dude.....Aron- we don't advertise to sell cards on this page....also we are a Pre-WWII baseball card chatboard....anymore posts on new stuff or sale stuff on this page will kindly be deleted immediately.....thanks for your understanding....nothing personal...rules are the same for everyone

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

I guess that the seller received enough emails and revised the listing. It's not a lot of information but it indicates questionable authenticity.