absurd t206 price

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Posted By: runscott 

What is going on here that I am missing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782242721&category=31718

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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson

You think that one is crazy, check out this one by the same seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=2782440500

PS: the seller is legit; the buyers are nuts.

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Posted By: Dave

This looks like a bidding war between two buyers. Krause lists this card in the 2004 catalog at $85 VG and $270 EX. It's a really nice looking card but has rounded corners, and a crease in the lower left. I think PSA did their job this time with a grade of GOOD 2.

Who knows why the price is this high.


Dave

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Posted By: runscott

That same card, same slabbed grade, never brings over $400.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: Dave

The Piedmont factory 25 was VA, and 42 was North Carolina. The 42 cards have a premium listed as 3x in the T206 museum and 2 - 4 x in Krause.

But, both these cards are the common factory 25.

Dave

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Posted By: Julie

aren't you looking at the original post of the card, instead of my stupid words?

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Posted By: J

It's a good thing none of the rest of you ever post incorrectly.

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Posted By: Dave

Sorry about my mis-interpretation. I didn't know that this series was worth a premium. 10% of my T206 majors are from this series. None of my minors or Southern league are. Can I assume from this that the 350-460 series only carried players from the majors?

Dave

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Posted By: runscott

The Piedmont 350-460 series comes in two factory designations: 25 and 42. Factory 25 does NOT command a premium, but factory 42 generally commands about a 4-5X premium. Your original post was both correct and helpful.

Another note: If the factory 42 card is a HOF'er, it demands much less of a premium. Same is true for other tough t206 backs.

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Posted By: Julie

How do you know the card isn't from factory 42?

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Posted By: Elliot

Look at the reverse of the card!!!

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Posted By: Julie

factory numbers.

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Posted By: Elliot

The seller has provided a scan that can be blown up by clicking on it!! If you do so, it should be very clear that it is fact. "25". Is anybody else having a problem seeing it?

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Posted By: runscott

The factory 42 backs say "4th Dist. N.C." after the factory designation, which stretches quite a bit further across the bottom of the card. If you see one that you think might be a "42", go look at other t206 scans on ebay and find another 350-460 - if there is not a noticeable difference in the length of the factory designation line, then you are dealing with a common factory 25.

If you want examples of both, just email me for scans.

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Posted By: Julie

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Posted By: Dave

Is there a premium on the 350-460 series vs the 150 or 350 series? I'm thinking Piedmont, but would assume this would track all the backs.

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Posted By: runscott

The only premium I've ever seen associated with the series is some collectors think the 150 series portraits are more difficult.

But I have seen minor variances related to factory/series, the Matty Black Cap being an example that had minor amounts of color added/removed between Piedmont series, but that's pretty darn esoteric, and I couldn't find the same trends in the Sweet Cap versions. I have seen other cards that also went through minor changes in the colors used to print them - Vic Willis portrait for example - but I haven't owned enough of these to determine if the changes were made between series. Others would argue that color differences are due to "low ink", and in most cases this is certainly true, but if you closely study enough examples of the same card, you will find that in some cases ink was actually either omitted or the color changed.

Very esoteric stuff. The main reason I'm interested in it is that it provides clues as to how the cards were designed and printed.