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Old 11-05-2002, 03:38 PM
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Let see how high the Piedmont 42 will go?

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Old 11-05-2002, 03:58 PM
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Hi Robert
Which Piedmont 42 card are you talking about?
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Old 11-05-2002, 04:10 PM
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Matty dark cap. Looks nice but I can't afford it. But I figured one of my friends on the broad might like it. Robert http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1574442177&rd=1

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Old 11-05-2002, 04:34 PM
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Posted By: Dan Mathewson

...and wondering about who graded it at Beckett...

The "corners" and "centering" grades, i think, were transposed. How can the centering be a 6 when the top of the picture is almost off the card itself? And, the corners actually appear more like 6 or 6.5 than 4.5, the bottom corners really look quite good...

Seems like a slight error in grading, or possibly transposed numbers. But, the centering is really not good, top to bottom.

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Old 11-05-2002, 04:38 PM
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Still Piedmont 42! Hard card to find. Rob

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Old 11-05-2002, 06:12 PM
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I missed this one!

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Old 11-05-2002, 06:20 PM
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HI Dan
I missed it also. I looked at the card, but not the back, I must be slipping. later brian

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Old 11-05-2002, 06:27 PM
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Glad I could help you guys out. Not much gets by me. Just to bad I can't afford a lot of the stuff I see. I do have three Piedmont 42 backs and would love the Matty. I bet this is going to go pretty high at the end. Should be interesting to watch the seconds tick away to see how many people saw it. Rob

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:15 PM
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I am new to pre-war collecting, how can you tell it is factory 42? I can't make out the bottom of the card.

I appreciate the knowledge...

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:19 PM
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At the very bottom right side you will see the letters N.C.

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:21 PM
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N.C. stands for North Carolina with very few Piedmonts were made. Only Piedmont 350-460 have these backs. Rob

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:27 PM
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Wow had me fooled I figured it would go a lot higher. Only 349.00. Pretty good price I would say.

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:37 PM
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Posted By: B Hodes

I'm not terribly knowledgeable about the T206s but it doesn't seem like it went for that much more than any other Matty in that shape (in fact a Portrait would have gone for more!). It did have a lot of bids though ...

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Old 11-06-2002, 05:21 AM
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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi All
I think the Matty had a few problems dragging the price down:

1. It was graded 5 by BECKETT VINTAGE, which is not nearly as strict or respected as regular Beckett grading.
2. It is off center from top to bottom with almost no top border.
3. Alot of back collectors won't pay a premium for the player on the front, there only concern is the back.
4. I do think alot of Vintage collectors missed the card because most don't like cards graded by Beckett Vintage.
Hindsight is 20/20, but had I known it was only going for 349.00, I would have bought it. I thought it might fall in the 600-700 range.
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Old 11-06-2002, 06:23 AM
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But a Piedmont 42 in that condition would normally go for $125-$200, so I think interested bidders were only willing to pay the going "black cap Matty" rate.

Like a lot of t206's with tough backs, you only seem to get the back premium on commons. The HOF'ers only get part of the back premium. I had a brown Hindu Matty portrait that suffered because of this.

The HOF'ers with super-tough backs, like BL460's, have had the opposite problem on ebay - they get the back premium, but not the proportionate amount of "HOF'er premium".

But, based on scarcity, the Piedmont 42 should bring more, but it doesn't. Doug and Art's VCBC article about t206 backs scarcity(#26)has the red Hindu premium at $250 and I think the Piedmont 42 is probably just as scarce. BTW, if you are serious about t206 backs you need to order VCBC #26.

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Old 11-06-2002, 08:22 AM
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...what is VCBC #26?

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Old 11-06-2002, 09:22 AM
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that Don Betz publishes - you've probably seen references to it on the board. I was referring to issue #26 - they are on #33 now. You can order back issues by checking out their web-site (see my vintage links).

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Old 11-13-2002, 03:58 PM
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I am surprised you guys missed the other factory 42. Kleinlow of Boston. Rob

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Old 11-13-2002, 04:04 PM
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Hi Robert
We didn't miss that card.I already have a Sgc 86 Boston Kleinow Pied Fac 42, so I didn't need another.
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Old 11-13-2002, 04:24 PM
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Hey Brian you want to trade? LOL Robert

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Old 11-13-2002, 04:30 PM
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Hi Robert
You drive a hard bargain, but I guess I'll have to pass. It's one of my favorite cards and it's in the right holder. How much did you pay for the card? lmk brian

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Old 11-13-2002, 05:03 PM
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Check it out. Let me know what you think. Price was right. Rob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1578149350

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