PSA to open a new joint SGC/PSA location in FL

[particra17]

There isn't any question that SGC will disappear over time. There are obvious cost synergies to be obtained (as with every acquisition) that will be attained. If PSA can reasonably absorb SGC's share into PSA, it makes little sense to have a separate operations process, corporate structure, procurement mechanism, website, submissions process, etc. That's all just added cost for no real benefit.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Apparently PSA is moving in next door to SGC per this article. I'm shocked!

PSA? Florida? I'll just roll my eyes and say "No!"

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Really looking forward to the $20 "Cross The Road For A Crossover" SGC-to-PSA and PSA-to-SGC service before they ship or vault the card.

Originally Posted by ValKehl

And soon thereafter, SGC will have a special offer for collectors to have their SGC slabs converted to PSA slabs.

Hey, wow! Does anyone envision the super prized and highly collectible double slabbed card for just twice the price? "Hey, this is a Babe Mantle Shlabotnik PSA 8.0 and SGC 8.5, the only one in existence! And because I like you, I'm willing to let you have it for x00,000! And I'll throw in this bottle of hooch free of charge."

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by imdaman1964

How is shipping cards to CA and then having them sent to FL for grading efficient?

How is shipping cards anywhere to be graded "efficient"? Mine will very efficiently just stay in my binder at home.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

PeterSpaeth- it's a "wolfpack" now, eh? Clever... Let me save you geniuses
time by providing synonyms for enclave and acolytes, as you try to outdo
each other while tongue punching the English language:

1) coterie (Oh, that one's fancy)
2) sect
3) bloc
4) apostle
5) henchman
6) zealot (another goodie!)

7) stalwart
8) lemming
9) true believer
10) fanboy
11) real frantic one (with apologies to Stan Lee)
12) PSA zombie
13) buff
14) mindless devotee

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Something else worth remembering is that Nat Turner undoubtedly plans to take Collectors public at some point. There is no way in hell he's going to cut off the SGC brand before that happens. While you idiots may think that's the smart business move, I assure you the market will not.

Things could change after they go public and Nat Turner cashes out. Maybe the board will select a new CEO. Perhaps grading standards could become important again under new leadership. Perhaps the market will sour on the SGC brand. Perhaps it won't. Who knows. But as long as there is strong demand for SGC, they will remain.

You are probably right on this part Snow. I guess my question now is on the demand piece.

To my knowledge, SGC has never graded more than 200k a month. The past year, they have been between 129k - 194k a month. Months vary, I get it, but do you think they will ever grade over 200k a month?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Snowman

To what benefit? Why would Collectors want SGC gone? This makes zero sense. You guys are just afraid of the boogeyman.

I've previously said, and still believe, that SGC will stay around. Their jersey authentication (Dave Grob) is known as the best in the business.

I was just saying, IF they were going to consolidate, they would set up shop at the same location, because it would be easier to acquire a building than hire and train an entire new workforce.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

You are probably right on this part Snow. I guess my question now is on the demand piece.

To my knowledge, SGC has never graded more than 200k a month. The past year, they have been between 129k - 194k a month. Months vary, I get it, but do you think they will ever grade over 200k a month?

I think SGC will always be content with what they do and specialize in, vintage pre and post war. They never really tried to compete with PSA or CSG when it comes to Modern or Gaming Cards.

SGC Customers are predominately vintage collectors who enjoy their slabs and fast turn around times along with more affordable pricing. Idk what will happen...either way the card hobby will go on and be stronger than ever down the road.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

SGC Customers are predominately vintage collectors who enjoy their slabs and fast turn around times along with more affordable pricing. Idk what will happen...either way the card hobby will go on and be stronger than ever down the road.

The highlighted part is a huuuuuuuge component of going with SGC. Every time I'm at a show these days, the tables are flooded with tuxedos. An exponential rise from the 'old days.'
Dealers tell me, "Sure, they may sell for a little less (than PSA), but I get them back cheaply and immediately, so I'm ready for the show."

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

The highlighted part is a huuuuuuuge component of going with SGC. Every time I'm at a show these days, the tables are flooded with tuxedos. An exponential rise from the 'old days.'
Dealers tell me, "Sure, they may sell for a little less (than PSA), but I get them back cheaply and immediately, so I'm ready for the show."

Nowadays, they usually don't even sell for less because PSA vintage graders have moved the goal posts down by about two full grades on average. Whereas SGC has only moved them down by about one full grade. You can get unlucky with any submission, but on average, you're typically going to get better/more accurate grades with SGC these days.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

It sure doesn't sound good the writing seems to be on the wall… My dealer friend thinks that the numbers were down this month for sgc because they're flooded with cards and can't keep up with the grading.

It's so busy nobody grades there anymore...

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I think SGC will always be content with what they do and specialize in, vintage pre and post war. They never really tried to compete with PSA or CSG when it comes to Modern or Gaming Cards.

SGC Customers are predominately vintage collectors who enjoy their slabs and fast turn around times along with more affordable pricing. Idk what will happen...either way the card hobby will go on and be stronger than ever down the road.

Agree, second place is just fine for them.

[brunswickreeves]

Great discussion! However, 62 posts and not a single card pictured…time for some. And, no better than the Top 10 highest ever sold. Tellingly, 8 of which are NOT in PSA holders and likely won’t be sent in for crossover for risk of mis-grading downward…our hobby’s mantra: buy the card not the grade (or holder).

https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...ds-of-all-time

[perezfan]

Great post! But the soiling on the Yellow Ruth and the diamond cut would preclude it from ever getting a "9" today. Just more meaningless numbers on PSA slabs.

[Neal]

The SGC brand is going anywhere.



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[Rich Klein]

[QUOTE=parkplace33;2520027][B]Each of the two locations will have its own focus. The Plano, Texas location which is expected to be online by July of this year, will be the centralized hub for ticket authentication and grading, which makes sense given the rapidly growing popularity of the sector. The Boca Raton, Florida location, which will share space with Collectors Universe counterpart SGC, will primarily focus on card grading and although collectors wont be able to directly submit to that location in the beginning maybe PSA will one day in future allow collectors to submit directly to that location.[/

I will also point out that a Plano office would enable PSA to set up at every large Dallas Card Show (700 tables every 2 months) and not have to fly employees into the area. Currently, they set up at the DCS about 1x a year. This would, in my opinion only, take away Beckett's home court advantage away from the DCS.

[sb1]

I would say SGC has the bulk of the business at the Dallas Card Show, Beckett is only of interest to those with brand new out of the pack cards for the most part. When PSA does set up, they are busy but much of it is autographs and memorabilia, as well as cards.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by sb1

I would say SGC has the bulk of the business at the Dallas Card Show, Beckett is only of interest to those with brand new out of the pack cards for the most part. When PSA does set up, they are busy but much of it is autographs and memorabilia, as well as cards.

I'll respectfully disagree as PSA was very busy during the May show with a bit of everything being submitted. SGC is in the hallway and has their own place but the BGS line is usually out of the door. I've never really seen a long wait at SGC and I do walk around quite a bit at the DCS

I will also say, that PSA has improved their submission process to a greater degree than it was even just a year ago. Their goal is to do things more efficiently for the customer's benefits and many of the complaints I heard in previous years at the DCS have now gone away. My fellow co-host on Hobby Hotline, the supremely talented Chris Carlin, has innovated many of those changes just as he made sure Upper Deck had the best customer care in the card manufacturing business when he ran that department