Pittsburgh Crawfords broadside

[zizek]

I was wondering if anyone was familiar with these broadsides.

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[Hankphenom]

Be afraid, be very afraid...

[gonefishin]

No, but it's pretty damn cool!

[bigfanNY]

NOOOOOoooooo.it is not cool. Listen to Hank and be Very afraid.

[zizek]

I have had it for almost a year and it is real and authentic. I sent pictures of it to Heritage Auction and they wanted to list it but I don't want to sell. The person I spoke to there said he had never seen one in his 40 years of experience. I thought Net54 might know more.

[bigfanNY]

Ok you say authentic...but did you ever have it or the Signatures Authenticated? Sending pictures to Heritage is very different from Having Guys from Heritage handle it. I have owned and still own alot of Satchel Paige signatures and none look like yours...I know signatures can and do change over time....but...
Then there is the broadside. It would have to be from 1933 1934 or 1936. And I find it strange it would say Negro League. Most NL Broadsides list the specific League the crawfords represent like American Negro Leauge. Etc. Add that to font and overall condition.....I don't like it
Jmho..

[71buc]

I really have no opinion. Nor am I an expert by any means. However, I have seen the words “Negro League” on other period broadsides. Also during the time that broadside would have been displayed Paige had a tendency to sign Satchell with two Ls. I suppose he could have signed that one post 1950s if it is indeed authentic?

[Lucas00]

I know this is a weird thing to notice but the fact Negro League doesn't have an S is off putting to me. Almost any mention of the league that is old refers to it as the Negro Leagues.

But I mean that's not a strong base to say it's fake at all just a detail I noticed. I can tell by the fold it's definitely not a recent creation.

[gonefishin]

Hard to say if its authentic from pictures. However, it was an advanced advertising piece (probably mass produced) where the local sponsor could fill in the appropriate information. Looks like this one is blank, which of course means that it wasn't used. Gibson passed in 1947 and basically wasn't able to do anything because of illness beginning in 1943. Since this was a touring piece my best guess would be from the late 30s to very early 40s. Maybe checking the print dot process, paper composition etc. might help in authentication.

[bigfanNY]

Satchel Paige and Cool Papa Bell played together on Pittsburgh, 3 seasons 33 34 36. All the Pittsburgh broadside from that period that I have seen, list their leauge affiliation and since they won championships in 33 35 and 36. Most likely it would have included "Champions" this is an Advertisement after all. And their owner was a outstanding at marketing. And he knew he put together a Great ...Great Team!! This seems way to plain to be from those specific years.
Jmho

[gonefishin]

I agree Johnathon. However, why would someone reproduce a modern-day piece so plain? That's kind of my only reason that makes me think it COULD be real - not that it is.

[Econteachert205]

There were a good amount of Negro League reproduction posters and broadsides produced in the 1970’s when there was a resurgence in interest. Meaning the signatures could be good on a piece produced from then and still look old as it would be 50 year old now.

[John1941]

I think the poster doesn't look like something that was made in the 1930s. The font and design feel vaguely off. The suggestion made above that it was printed in the 1970s sounds plausible to me.

[jerseygary]

I don't think a generic poster would have pre-printed ticket prices since that would have been left up to the home team the Crawfords were playing.

[zizek]

Here is a photo of the back.


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[bigfanNY]

Posted question about the Paige signature in the autograph section. Person who's opinion I 100% trust says it is real ....but was signed later in life.. he passed in 1982. It would match a poster printed in the same time frame late 70's ...1982.

[bigfanNY]

Op thanks for posting back...it tells the story... signed by Louis Gosset and Satchel Paige with the phrase Don't look back.... the poster is from the 1981 movie of the same name.... with both those signatures has some value...watch the movie if you see the poster in the movie it will help value.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Op thanks for posting back...it tells the story... signed by Louis Gosset and Satchel Paige with the phrase Don't look back.... the poster is from the 1981 movie of the same name.... with both those signatures has some value...watch the movie if you see the poster in the movie it will help value.

The other signature, Bobby Angelle, was an outfielder in that movie. This was his last credited role. He also did some stunt work.

[zizek]

Thanks for all the information. I was sure the poster was from the 30's. I'm glad to have verification of the signature. I'll watch the movie.

[Brent G.]

Pretty wild that Gossett won an Oscar a year after doing this TV movie. I’ve never seen it — will have to check it out!

[Hankphenom]

So this is a prop used in the movie, signed by the actors and by Satchell, presumably on set not long before he died? That's really wild, and a great piece! I wish they had signed it on the front, since that's fantasy, anyway. Would have made a wonderful display piece. As it is, how unique!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Op thanks for posting back...it tells the story... signed by Louis Gosset and Satchel Paige with the phrase Don't look back.... the poster is from the 1981 movie of the same name.... with both those signatures has some value...watch the movie if you see the poster in the movie it will help value.

Nice assist, Jonathan!

This was moved from the memorabilia section to get a few more eyes on it.
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