Yankees grooming policy rescinded

[Beercan collector]

But I guess someone still decides what’s acceptable (well groomed ?)
Be great if every Yankee player test the limit - A whole team of mid 70s Artimus Pyles

[bk400]

I shave every day before I go to work. Not because I am required to, but because it demonstrates a level of respect for my colleagues, partners and counterparties. Others may feel differently, which is their prerogative.

I thought the Yankees' grooming policy was actually a pretty classy thing.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by bk400

I shave every day before I go to work. Not because I am required to, but because it demonstrates a level of respect for my colleagues, partners and counterparties. Others may feel differently, which is their prerogative.

I thought the Yankees' grooming policy was actually a pretty classy thing.

I used to be a hippie but when I got into medical equipment I cleaned myself up and I stayed that way as I got older - my post is mostly a gag but they’re playing baseball - A house of David team would never happen but it would be funny , There are some crazy looking people out there that are good at their jobs of course I wouldn’t wanna walk into a lawyers office and see Duck Dynasty

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

I used to be a hippie but when I got into medical equipment I cleaned myself up and I stayed that way as I got older - my post is mostly a gag but they’re playing baseball - A house of David team would never happen but it would be funny , There are some crazy looking people out there that are good at their jobs of course I wouldn’t wanna walk into a lawyers office and see Duck Dynasty

I hear you, man, and I agree that the presence or absence of facial hair is unlikely to have any bearing on one's professional ability. I just think it's kind of cool when an organization says, yeah, but we're going to look the part, because people are buying tickets to see us play, and we're on TV, and we want to set an example for what a classy team looks like.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by bk400

I hear you, man, and I agree that the presence or absence of facial hair is unlikely to have any bearing on one's professional ability. I just think it's kind of cool when an organization says, yeah, but we're going to look the part, because people are buying tickets to see us play, and we're on TV, and we want to set an example for what a classy team looks like.

Sorry , apparently beards are more offensive than I realized

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Sorry , apparently beards are more offensive than I realized

I think there’s beards and then there’s BEARDS!!!

Nothing offensive about either. But there’s no doubt that if done right (ie wrong), a beard can make you look like a homeless fellow.

And part of the fun is trying to draw that line and then enforce it. For some groups, it’s just easier to ban beards entirely. For example, I went to a university where beards are prohibited unless you got special permission for a beard card due to medical or religious reasons. I suspect part of it was a bit of backlash to the extremes of the 70s on college campuses.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by raulus

I think there’s beards and then there’s BEARDS!!!

Nothing offensive about either. But there’s no doubt that if done right (ie wrong), a beard can make you look like a homeless fellow.

Might prevent a fellow from playing for the Yankees, but it doesn't prevent a fellow from becoming the Vice-President of the United States though!



Playing for the Yankees pays much better of course.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

I used to be a hippie but when I got into medical equipment I cleaned myself up and I stayed that way as I got older.... There are some crazy looking people out there that are good at their jobs of course I wouldn’t wanna walk into a lawyers office and see Duck Dynasty

I kept my full mane of hair throughout my many years in the investment industry upon the premise that if you've got it, flaunt it!

Then in 2018 I was invited/challenged to participate in the Colour to Conquer Cancer fund raising campaign by Terry, a one-time co-worker and decades long friend. Trying my hand at fundraising sounded interesting, so I joined her Rainbow Unicorn team which until then consisted of only her children, grandchildren and nephews/nieces. Since there was nobody left on the planet who could tell me what I couldn't do, I got my silver grey hair stripped down to white and had it dyed neon blue (I thought that was my colour):



The MAN followed my lead:





The MAN and I just left our hair that way until it grew out and faded.

Terry was by far the leading fund raiser in Canada for the next three years. I was the sixth, sixth and seventh leading fund raiser in Canada for the next three years. (Terry and I had many of the same contacts but she got first dibs.) Our Rainbow Unicorn team ended up absolutely destroying every other team participating including the Princess Margaret Hospital's own team of several dozen strong!

I learned though that fund raising is far from easy. Both donor and fundraiser fatigue set in after a year or two ("What, again?") and only Terry and I remained among the top fund raisers all three years.

[JustinD]

It’s about time they ended that antiquated silly Steinbrenner legacy. It has long annoyed players from Gossage to Mattingly. Several players have turned them down including David Price and Brian Wilson.

I have been in corporate leadership and dealing with the boards of most major banking institutions for the last 30 years in private and government capacity. I haven’t been clean shaven since likely 1993, perhaps longer. A well trimmed and full beard has always done me very well in business.

if it’s hurting you with recruitment and keeping talent for a silly rule you should get rid of it or it’s simply poor management.

[D. Bergin]

Yankees grooming policy rescinded

There's a really tasteless Wander Franco joke hidden in that headline somewhere. I'll leave it to one of the braver members of Net54 to suss it out for us.

I think I may have already said too much.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

There's a really tasteless Wander Franco joke hidden in that headline somewhere. I'll leave it to one of the braver members of Net54 to suss it out for us.

I think I may have already said too much.

I saw "Yankees grooming" and immediately thought the thread was going to be about John Wetteland.

[Snapolit1]

I was once seconded to Anheuser Busch for a work assignment. I was asked by my boss to shave my goatee because August Busch (the 4th I think) didn’t want anyone in the organization to have facial hair. Was a long standing thing. I thought that was stupid as hell, but then learned that his father thought wearing glasses was a sign of weakness and he hated seeing them.

[bk400]

The Judge speaks (as quoted in the venerable New York Post earlier this week):

Judge said he was “definitely shocked” about the change in policy that was instituted in 1976 by George Steinbrenner. But he understood Hal Steinbrenner’s reasoning in not wanting the old policy to be something that would risk the Yankees’ chances of adding players that could help them win.

That said, Judge had a strong stance on players who might not have been willing to sign with the Yankees because they did not want to shave, though he said he had not heard of it happening.

"If that little rule is going to stop you from coming here, then you probably shouldn’t be here," Judge said. “If a little rule like that is going to stop you from doing your job, then I don’t think — I don’t know...

I got drafted by this organization, so the very first day I was here, I’ve been shaving since 2013," Judge said. "This is what I know, this is what I’m used to. I look around the building, look at old photos of the past legends and people that played here, they all followed that rule, so I just tried to follow on their path."

In his one-on-one meeting with Steinbrenner, Judge emphasized that he thought it was important to keep the franchise’s other rules in place — such as no hair below the collar — because they help instill discipline.

“We definitely talked about that because that was one of my big things,” Judge said. “Rules, it’s all about discipline. Especially playing with the Yankees, this is a disciplined group. That’s one thing I learned all the way from the minor leagues up, you have those certain rules that teach you discipline, teach you a certain way. That was my big concern is, I didn’t want a lot of these rules to start changing.

“A lot of these separate us and make the New York Yankees the standard. We talked about a lot of those things. I just wanted to reiterate with him, ‘I understand the facial hair policy, but let’s keep a lot of these other things in check.’ ”

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by bk400

I thought the Yankees' grooming policy was actually a pretty classy thing.

Originally Posted by bk400

...but we're going to look the part, because people are buying tickets to see us play, and we're on TV, and we want to set an example for what a classy team looks like.

This is actually the first time I've heard the words "classy" and "Yankees" used in conjunction. My experience has always been just the opposite. My initial exposure to MLB was as a first grader in the spring of 1959 and it was the Yankees who tended to be favoured by the bigger kids in the schoolyard, i.e. the assholes. Then over the years I came to associate Yankee fans with leather lunged Bronx residents who drove cabs in Manhattan and cursed angrily at other drivers at every opportunity. And wore short fat ties over their bellies on those rare occasions when so required. Not to mention interfering with players from opposing teams on the field of play at Yankee Stadium. (See Jeffrey Maier 1996.)

But "classy" Yankees? No, never.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

This is actually the first team I've heard the words "classy" and "Yankees" used in conjunction. My experience has always been just the opposite. My initial exposure to MLB was as a first grader in the spring of 1959 and it was the Yankees who tended to be favoured by the bigger kids in the schoolyard, i.e. the assholes. Then over the years I came to associate Yankee fans with leather lunged Bronx residents who drove cabs in Manhattan and cursed angrily at other drivers at every opportunity. And wore short fat ties over their bellies on those rare occasions when so required. Not to mention interfering with players from opposing teams on the field of play at Yankee Stadium. (See Jeffrey Maier 1996.)

But "classy" Yankees? No, never.

Yankees players have a wide reputation for classiness. Think Mattingly, Jeter, Rivera, Judge, etc.

Don't see how the Yankees can be held accountable for their fans.

[Balticfox]

Not to mention the Sultan of the Smorgasbord Babe Ruth, Billy Martin, ARoid and private box king Juan Soto.

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

This is actually the first team I've heard the words "classy" and "Yankees" used in conjunction. My experience has always been just the opposite. My initial exposure to MLB was as a first grader in the spring of 1959 and it was the Yankees who tended to be favoured by the bigger kids in the schoolyard, i.e. the assholes. Then over the years I came to associate Yankee fans with leather lunged Bronx residents who drove cabs in Manhattan and cursed angrily at other drivers at every opportunity. And wore short fat ties over their bellies on those rare occasions when so required. Not to mention interfering with players from opposing teams on the field of play at Yankee Stadium. (See Jeffrey Maier 1996.)

But "classy" Yankees? No, never.

Jeffrey Maier? Lol

A 12 year old kid who caught a ball at a game? umm... okay. Yea he must be a trashy garbage human.

[Balticfox]

Somehow though there was nary a word from any of the Yankees that the play wasn't actually a home run. (Not to mention of course the umpires but hey, the Yankees draw the ratings so....)

[D. Bergin]

My unofficial stats indicate at least 50% of "Classy Guys" or "Good Guys" are either snakes, mobsters, monsters or con men. Sometimes all 4.

To those who describe themselves as "Classy Guys" or "Good Guys", the odds jump up to about 98 or 99%...give or take a margin of error of about 2%.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Somehow though there was nary a word from any of the Yankees that the play wasn't actually a home run. (Not to mention of course the umpires but hey, the Yankees draw the ratings so....)

What player or team, before replay, do you think would have voluntarily given up a home run in a playoff game? There have been plenty of bad calls throughout baseball history. I don't remember a team ever saying, you know what, that call was wrong so change it even though it hurts us.

Talk to the 1985 Cardinals. They're still waiting for the Royals to tell Don Denkinger that he made the wrong call at first base in game 6.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by jayshum

What player or team, before replay, do you think would have voluntarily given up a home run in a playoff game? There have been plenty of bad calls throughout baseball history. I don't remember a team ever saying, you know what, that call was wrong so change it even though it hurts us.

Talk to the 1985 Cardinals. They're still waiting for the Royals to tell Don Denkinger that he made the wrong call at first base in game 6.

In contrast, Twins fans will gleefully tell you that Drew Coble correctly called Ron Gant out in Game 2 of the 1991 WS. And no, Hrbek did not pull him off the bag, regardless of what that whining windbag Tim McCarver (RIP) kept moaning.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

In contrast, Twins fans will gleefully tell you that Drew Coble correctly called Ron Gant out in Game 2 of the 1991 WS. And no, Hrbek did not pull him off the bag, regardless of what that whining windbag Tim McCarver (RIP) kept moaning.

At least that's a somewhat judgement call, but again, Hrbek and the Twins didn't say, hey maybe that wasn't right on our part so just leave him on the base.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jayshum

What player or team, before replay, do you think would have voluntarily given up a home run in a playoff game? There have been plenty of bad calls throughout baseball history. I don't remember a team ever saying, you know what, that call was wrong so change it even though it hurts us.

Ahah! I was just waiting for someone to make that argument.

You forget that the subject of discussion here is whether the Yankees were/are a "classy" MLB team. Well classy includes good sportsmanship. So essentially what you've been reduced to arguing is that the Yankees are no more unclassy than any other team!

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Ahah! I was just waiting for someone to make that argument.

You forget that the subject of discussion here is whether the Yankees were/are a "classy" MLB team. Well classy includes good sportsmanship. So essentially what you've been reduced to arguing is that the Yankees are no more unclassy than any other team!

I'm not trying to argue that the Yankees are classy or not. I really don't care. I'm just saying your argument is ridiculous because no one or team in the history of baseball (at least that I can think of) has done what you're suggesting the Yankees should have done.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'm not trying to argue that the Yankees are classy or not. I really don't care.

That though is the subject of contention here.

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'm just saying your argument is ridiculous because no one or team in the history of baseball (at least that I can think of) has done what you're suggesting the Yankees should have done.

Had they deserved the moniker "classy", they would have done just that. But they didn't so they're no classier than any other MLB team.

[packs]

The premise of your argument depends on the Yankees being able to determine a call on the field. Casual fans of baseball will note that umpires make the calls on the field. Welcome to the game. I find it gets more and more enjoyable the more you understand how it’s played.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by packs

Welcome to the game. I find it gets more and more enjoyable the more you understand how it’s played.

Yes, almost as enjoyable as debating inconsequential points on discussion forums! Surely you agree.