W572 Daubert w/ Neilson's Chocolate Back

[Leon]

Is this just a random stamp on the back of this W572? Nefarious? Thoughts? It didn't cost much from a very good hobby friend, so no big deal either way.

(It doesn't fluoresce under a blacklight, Frank W. )

After a quick bit of research, using Google + Net54, it does look like these stamps were done recently to deceive. I had even commented a few times in the thread but that was 14+ yrs ago...
.

[paul]

I believe Bob Lemke exposed this fraud back in the day.

[h2oya311]

I have one as well. My understanding is that these were added to the backs of legit W572s in an effort to defraud (Alan Hager??). Even PSA’s website write-up on this set mentions this.

I didn’t know that the w572s themselves may not have been legit either. That concerns me that your example doesn’t fluoresce under black-light. I believe mine would fluoresce given that it’s in a PSA holder, but given that the PSA grader(s) missed the fraud entirely and graded this as a 1923 Neilson’s, I suppose all bets are off!!

I bought this many years ago (already graded) before I knew of the fraud.

I don’t think PSA would be all that pleased that this card (in their plastic) is floating around out there.

[jingram058]

I would never have known that these are not legit. Clueless me...

[jcmtiger]

I bought on of these in the 1990’s. From an antique paper. When I took it to the Plymouth mi. Card show, learned it was fake. Not sure ho told me, it Bill Mastro might have been that person. Got my money back.

[ullmandds]

they're fake...like the cards...or just the added stamp?

[sb1]

They don't look stamped, appear to be printed, would like to see one in hand...bring it to the show..

[brianp-beme]

These Neilson's W572 cards have always appeared to be authentic W572 cards to me. I will assume it is just believed that the back 'printing' was added post-production, and thus causes the red flags to fly.

Brian

[Balticfox]

Hmmmm, I dunno. There are other instances of cards issued by one company being subsequently stamped on the back by another company:

Beaton's Bars - Bobby Burrell: SportsCollectorsDaily

Beaaton's Dairy Products was established in 1928 several years after the 1924-25 Paterson Hockey cards.

[brianp-beme]

Below is that 14 year old thread that Leon mentioned. In it a variety of experienced hobbyist chimed in, and most conclusive is the last post in the thread by Bob Lemke, who investigated and wrote a SCD article about this subject, and Bob even implicates the likely culprit behind these Neilson's W572 cards.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=123916

Brian

[h2oya311]

Thanks Brian! Good to see mind isn’t failing me (yet) as I had mentioned Hager as the likely culprit (post 3).

And here’s the PSA article mentioning these forgeries:
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...ge-alternative