2024 Classic HOF election

[Peter_Spaeth]

Weird career for sure. FIVE year period right in the middle with a total WAR of 3.4. Up until today, the consensus was that that killed his chances.

I can't quite figure out 1986 though. 31/116/.273, leads the league in total bases, and his WAR is 0.3 LOL.

[kailes2872]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Weird career for sure. FIVE year period right in the middle with a total WAR of 3.4. Up until today, the consensus was that that killed his chances.

I can't quite figure out 1986 though. 31/116/.273, leads the league in total bases, and his WAR is 0.3 LOL.

Crazy to thing that he was basically a replacement level player in '86. It wasn't as good as his '85, but I thought he should be MVP in '86 as well. I'll never quite understand advanced stats...

[Mountaineer1999]

You guys sure know how to let the air out of the room.

Congratulations to Richie Allen and Dave Parker! Well deserved.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

It’s good to fun to argue who should or shouldn’t be and rankings, but the actual choices are barely even worth indignation. Drug test failing steroid user Ortiz is in, but the rest get an inconsistent punishment. Schilling is out for partisan politics incompatible with the electorate media and largely demonstrably false related stories. Parker, Morris, Baines, Frisch and his cronies making it a complete joke, the litany of ridiculous choices from these small insider committees with private ballots go back over half a century. They obviously have no desire to clean it up and adopt any reasonable method of election. The museum is cool but the plaques are less and less worth seeing as it has turned into a Hall of Voting Practices That Are Designed To Ensure A Dishonest Outcome

Certainly a different evaluation of Parker today than in prior years, including two veterans' committee votes where he received zero votes.
1997 BBWAA (17.5%)
1998 BBWAA (24.5%)
1999 BBWAA (16.1%)
2000 BBWAA (20.8%)
2001 BBWAA (16.3%)
2002 BBWAA (14.0%)
2003 BBWAA (10.3%)
2004 BBWAA (10.5%)
2005 BBWAA (12.6%)
2006 BBWAA (14.6%)
2007 BBWAA (11.4%)
2008 BBWAA (15.1%)
2009 BBWAA (15.0%)
2010 BBWAA (15.2%)
2011 BBWAA (15.3%)
2014 Veterans ()
2018 Veterans ()
2020 Veterans (43.8%)

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Certainly a different evaluation of Parker today than in prior years, including two veterans' committee votes where he received zero votes.
1997 BBWAA (17.5%)
1998 BBWAA (24.5%)
1999 BBWAA (16.1%)
2000 BBWAA (20.8%)
2001 BBWAA (16.3%)
2002 BBWAA (14.0%)
2003 BBWAA (10.3%)
2004 BBWAA (10.5%)
2005 BBWAA (12.6%)
2006 BBWAA (14.6%)
2007 BBWAA (11.4%)
2008 BBWAA (15.1%)
2009 BBWAA (15.0%)
2010 BBWAA (15.2%)
2011 BBWAA (15.3%)
2014 Veterans ()
2018 Veterans ()
2020 Veterans (43.8%)

I don't think he definitely received 0 votes in 2014 and 2018. I think if someone gets less than 3 votes, they don't report the total so he could have received a few, but still was nowhere close to election.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Delgado's OPS is 100 points higher than Parker's and he hit 140 more HR in 2000 fewer AB. Just saying.

[rhettyeakley]

Congrats to Dave Parker.

It took me forever to find his first ever item, I have never seen another for sale (luckily when I found the one I have in my Personal collection there was an extra as well)...

I hate sharing pictures of items that haven't been seen before as it will take 8 seconds for TradingCardDatabase to steal the image

1972 Salem Fast Service (SALEM PIRATES) DAVE PARKER

[paul]

I already saw the image on the Trading Card Database. Was it not there yesterday?

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by paul

i already saw the image on the trading card database. Was it not there yesterday?

LOL, classic!

[shagrotn77]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

I guess I’m covered for both guys with my HOF “earliest” collection. Phew!

Great cards, Derek!

[Tabe]

Parker's vote totals back in the day were so low because of the drug trial. People forget that Parker was actually suspended for a year for distributing drugs but was allowed to buy his way out of it.

His WAR is so low because WAR hates his defense. -14.8 career and had a negative dWAR 16 times in his 19-year career. Led the league in errors five straight years.

But if you'd asked me back in 1985, I'd have thought for sure he was a HOFer.

[Chuck9788]

Congratulations to Dave Parker and Dick Allen's family. Both players earned this honor.

[paul]

My mistake about the Trading Card Database. The 1972 Salem Dave Parker is listed, but not pictured.

[sports-cards-forever]

Allen and Parker were both monsters in their day. They just lacked the longevity to put up classic big numbers. This might open the door for other stars who dominated in a 10 year run, but then fell off like Mattingly, David Wright, Munson, etc.

[JollyElm]

julieandrews hills are alive.jpg

♫♪♬ And the eBay is alive with a million brand new and exorbitantly-priced Dick Allen list-stings... ♫♪♬

[ALR-bishop]

Topps 1964 Rookie Banquet Program

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by G1911

It’s good to fun to argue who should or shouldn’t be and rankings, but the actual choices are barely even worth indignation. Drug test failing steroid user Ortiz is in, but the rest get an inconsistent punishment. Schilling is out for partisan politics incompatible with the electorate media and largely demonstrably false related stories. Parker, Morris, Baines, Frisch and his cronies making it a complete joke, the litany of ridiculous choices from these small insider committees with private ballots go back over half a century. They obviously have no desire to clean it up and adopt any reasonable method of election. The museum is cool but the plaques are less and less worth seeing as it has turned into a Hall of Voting Practices That Are Designed To Ensure A Dishonest Outcome

It's clearly a mess. I think that the fans are much more concerned about the integrity of the game than the actual stewards of the game, i.e. the commissioner's office which presumably impacts all of this. After all, we're now discussing this "golden at bat" bullshit. The extra inning ghost runner at least made some sense due to the decreased innings per starter as the game has evolved. But the golden at bat is just a slap in the face of any purist or quasi-purist. If they care this little about the integrity of the game, why should they pretend to care who gets into the HOF and why?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It's clearly a mess. I think that the fans are much more concerned about the integrity of the game than the actual stewards of the game, i.e. the commissioner's office which presumably impacts all of this. After all, we're now discussing this "golden at bat" bullshit. The extra inning ghost runner at least made some sense due to the decreased innings per starter as the game has evolved. But the golden at bat is just a slap in the face of any purist or quasi-purist. If they care this little about the integrity of the game, why should they pretend to care who gets into the HOF and why?

That golden at bat idea was probably brought up after a long night of drinking and smoking whatever it is that causes thoughts like this to be even mentioned out loud after the alcohol bottles and bong bowls have been emptied.

That idea is a golden turd... if there's any serious consideration to it, I think I'll look for another favorite sport.

[packs]

I would be in favor of a golden at bat if the golden at bat was a random drawing once a year for a fan to get an at bat. MLB could donate to charity for every fan who manages a major league hit.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by packs

I would be in favor of a golden at bat if the golden at bat was a random drawing once a year for a fan to get an at bat. MLB could donate to charity for every fan who manages a major league hit.

Here's a thought. The manager selects the golden at bat for that game. The umpire breaks out the golden at bat coin and flips it. The opposing manager chooses headsand it comes up heads, now the opposing manager gets to pick who he wants to have that at bat. MLB could get a sponsorship from Draftkings or some other betting entity and before the coin flip, people can place a bet on who wins the coin flip. Then there could be side bets on who the batter will be, what will transpire. MLB could have the betting website pay a 10% commission for each golden at bat situation to pop up. Isn't that the way sports is going these days? Parlays, over/under on final game scores, or how many strikeouts a pitcher has in a certain inning... whatever happened to just watching a game.

Edited to add - Allen and Parker were good choices from the bunch, but I think el Tiante should have gotten in. As mentioned by many others, the HOF is very watered down thanks to the Veterans committees of the past.

[calvindog]

I think Parker and Allen are worthy all things considered. But why not Garvey and Tommy John?

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Congrats to Dave Parker.

It took me forever to find his first ever item, I have never seen another for sale (luckily when I found the one I have in my Personal collection there was an extra as well)...

I hate sharing pictures of items that haven't been seen before as it will take 8 seconds for TradingCardDatabase to steal the image

1972 Salem Fast Service (SALEM PIRATES) DAVE PARKER

I literally posted this same card about five posts before yours!! ������

[rhettyeakley]

I missed your post Derek.

If anyone else was going to have a 1972 Parker I figured it would be you.

I thought I was caught up but didn't see the last few posts on the previous page.

[h2oya311]

All good Rhett! Yours looks nicer anyway, so yours will end up being the TCDB image that gets pilfered!

I was about to come on here and change my message to something like: “cool Rhett! Never seen anything like that before!” But I see you’ve already read my not-so-cool response, so I’ll leave my sarcasm in my head and not on the ‘net.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

All good Rhett! Yours looks nicer anyway, so yours will end up being the TCDB image that gets pilfered!

I was about to come on here and change my message to something like: “cool Rhett! Never seen anything like that before!” But I see you’ve already read my not-so-cool response, so I’ll leave my sarcasm in my head and not on the ‘net.

All good!

I made a somewhat dumb joke about tcdb so I deserved the pushback 🤣

I actually use that website quite often so I shouldn’t give them such a hard time.

Your collection unrivaled Derek.

I wish I was a bit more disciplined in my collecting…or maybe that is what my wife says.