1970 7th Series B/Left side slit

[Cliff Bowman]

This is what I have left, Padres Team card on the second row, Garibaldi on the third row, Haller on the second row, and two vertical combos of Pagan-Hall and F Robinson-Rollins.

[Cliff Bowman]

1st column

Checklist
Tepedino
Stewart
Francona

2nd column

Roland
McDowell
D Jones
Knoop

10th column

Meyer
Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookie Stars

11th column

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

? column

Phillips
Tatum
Cardenal
Phoebus

? column

Fisher
McBean
Hardin
Collins

? column

Uhlaender
Giants Team
Indians Team
Aguirre

? column

Fairly
Padres Team
Lucchesi
Duncan

? column

Baker
?
?
Santiago

? column

McFadden
?
?
Leonhard

? column

Cardinals Rookies
?
?
Sadecki

[deweyinthehall]

Just waking up to this flurry of activity - how did we get Meyer over Robertson and Hardin over Collins? Those are the only two I missed someplace.

[Kevvyg1026]

There are 7 unknown cards/pairs above. These unknowns are as follows:

Garibaldi is in Col 6, row3, Haller is in an unk col, row2, Robinson/Rollins are in an unk col, rows 2/3 as are Pagan/Hall (to right of Robby/Rollins), and Padres TC is in an unk col, row 2.

The unknown 2nd row card beneath Fairly is either Haller or Padres TC.

[Kevvyg1026]

see Post 96 for Hardin under McBean, which made a 3 card ensemble, so then Collins was the only remaining unattached row 4 card

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Just waking up to this flurry of activity - how did we get Meyer over Robertson and Hardin over Collins? Those are the only two I missed someplace.

The Meyer column was the only remaining column that could take the

Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookies

vertical run, that then left the Fisher column as the last one without a fourth row card which has to be Collins. Kevin also found this Meyer miscut which has to be Robertson.

[Cliff Bowman]

Where we stand right now, Garibaldi is a 3rd row card because of the Nolan Ryan wrong back. That means Garibaldi must have Tom Haller or the Padres Team card above him in one of these three columns, Baker, McFadden, or Cardinals Rookie Stars. This miscut of Garibaldi forces the card above him to be Haller, the Padres Team card doesn't have the copyright line in that position. That puts the Padres Team card in the second slot of the Fairly column which completes the column at

Fairly
Padres Team
Lucchesi
Duncan

and places the Fairly column to the right of the Uhlaender column on the sheet which hasn't been determined yet.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Reichardt is to the left of either Lolich or Lucchesi...

Lucchesi has been eliminated but Hall has been added so now it can be either Lolich or Hall. ETA: correction, it can’t be Hall because Rollins is to the left of Hall, that means it has to be Lolich which places the Meyer column to the left of the Bertaina column as the 10th column.

[deweyinthehall]

OK - now that I've had a chance to catch up, my reading is we have 8 complete columns, and 3 unsolved:

McFadden
?
?
Leonhard

Baker
?
?
Santiago

Cards Rookies
?
?
Sadecki

And these can be filled by these 3 middle row pairs:

?
Robinson
Rollins
?

?
Haller
Garibaldi (we know this pair sits in the 6th column because of the Ryan wrong back)
?

?
Pagan
Hall
?

Of the 8 complete colums, we know the left 2 are headed by the checklist and Roland, and the right edge is Bertaina

In post 102, it is said the Meyer column borders the Bertaina on the left - but I can't find where that connection was made.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

In post 102, it is said the Meyer column borders the Bertaina on the left - but I can't find where that connection was made.

You were the one that provided the miscut for that, the Reichardt miscut that shows a blue box extending the full length of the card which you said had to be Lucchesi or Lolich, it turned out that it could also be Hall, but Lucchesi is eliminated because he has the Indians Team card to his left and Hall has Rollins to his left.

[deweyinthehall]

Got it - it's hard to keep up some times.

Here's one - Garibaldi has to be over Sadecki, Santiago or Leonhard. This shows he's over Santiago - the top edge of the adjoining card's stat box is even with the cartoon hand. Only Santiago fits.

This makes a new column of:

Baker
Haller
Garibaldi
Santiago

Because we know Garibaldi is in the 6th column, this means we have the left two, right two and the center columns locked.

The Uhlaender and Fairly columns are joined, but we don't know where they fit precisely.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Got it - it's hard to keep up some times.

Here's one - Garibaldi has to be over Sadecki, Santiago or Leonhard. This shows he's over Santiago - the top edge of the adjoining card's stat box is even with the cartoon hand. Only Santiago fits.

This makes a new column of:

Baker
Haller
Garibaldi
Santiago

Because we know Garibaldi is in the 6th column, this means we have the left two, right two and the center columns locked.

The Uhlaender and Fairly columns are joined, but we don't know where they fit precisely.

You have a better eye than I do, I had that Garibaldi miscut but I couldn't make out anything other than the bottom part of the line.

[Cliff Bowman]

I have this miscut Leonhard showing part of the copyright line of the card above it but I couldn't discern anything, maybe someone else can.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Got it - it's hard to keep up some times.

Here's one - Garibaldi has to be over Sadecki, Santiago or Leonhard. This shows he's over Santiago - the top edge of the adjoining card's stat box is even with the cartoon hand. Only Santiago fits.

This makes a new column of:

Baker
Haller
Garibaldi
Santiago

Because we know Garibaldi is in the 6th column, this means we have the left two, right two and the center columns locked.

The Uhlaender and Fairly columns are joined, but we don't know where they fit precisely.

I can barely see the the top of the stat box now. Great work!

[deweyinthehall]

Thanks - wish I could help with the Leonhard copyright line - I've tried lining up Hall, Rollins and Leonhard to no avail either way.

[Cliff Bowman]

Jackpot! This miscut shows the McFadden column is to the left of the Cardinals Rookie Stars column, which in turn completes the McFadden column at

McFadden
F Robinson
Rollins
Leonhard

and the Cardinals Rookie Stars column is complete at

Cards Rookie Stars
Pagan
Hall
Sadecki

The same eBay seller has a couple more identical miscuts from the same sheet that I will post, one of them should be very crucial once I figure out what the other card is.

[Cliff Bowman]

This Billingham miscut confirms that the Bertaina column

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

is the 11th (Right Edge) column as we suspected, if Billingham wasn't a right edge card then the card to his right would be showing on the miscut.

[Kevvyg1026]

great find

[Cliff Bowman]

I originally thought I would be able to tell what card is to the right of Lucchesi on this miscut by the back scan but I quickly realized that type of bio box is the same size on all of them, so I had to go the front scan. Since Lucchesi is a third row card that meant that the current possible cards it could be are the Padres Team card, Garibaldi, Hardin, or Reichardt. The Padres Team card is eliminated immediately so that leaves Garibaldi, Hardin, and Reichardt. The deep blue sky matches Garibaldi the best, Hardin has a lighter blue sky and Reichardt has a darker batting cage along the left side of the card. What I believe are the clinchers that it is Garibaldi are Hardin has a dark green outfield wall in the middle of his photo that would be apparent on the Lucchesi miscut and Reichardt has two small areas of dark fence posts that would be visible on the Lucchesi miscut. This places the Fairly column in the 5 slot and in turn places the Uhlaender column in the 4 slot. That means the 3 slot is either the Meyer column or the Phillips column, and the open 7-8-9 slots are either Meyer/Phillips-McFadden-Cards Rookie Stars or McFadden-Cards Rookie Stars-Meyer/Phillips.

[deweyinthehall]

This is incredible!

Question on the match of Lucchesi to Garibaldi - Garibaldi has the darker trees low on the card. Can you tell from the original image whether the miscut is actually showing any of the photo down that low on Lucchesi or if it cuts into the border down there?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

This is incredible!

Question on the match of Lucchesi to Garibaldi - Garibaldi has the darker trees low on the card. Can you tell from the original image whether the miscut is actually showing any of the photo down that low on Lucchesi or if it cuts into the border down there?

I thought about that too, the darker area further down on the Garibaldi card, it appears to me that the Lucchesi miscut is also slightly diamond cut and where the trees would show for Garibaldi the photo of the card on the right is no longer showing on the Lucchesi miscut.

[deweyinthehall]

Works for me.

So from left to right we have the following columns:

Checklist
Roland
?
Uhlaender
Fairly
Baker
?
?
?
Meyer
Bertaina

Between Roland and Uhlaender is either Phillips or Fisher.

Between Baker and Meyer it goes:
Phillips
McFadden
Cards Rookies

Or

McFadden
Cards Rookies
Phillips

Or

Fisher
McFadden
Cards Rookies

Or

McFadden
Cards Rookies
Fisher

[Cliff Bowman]

The Fisher column is the 3rd column, the card to the left of Hank Aguirre is Kevin Collins. It had to be either Phoebus or Collins, Collins has the line extending past the corner identical to the card on the miscut. The only thing left to figure out now is if columns 7-8-9 go Phillips-McFadden-Cards Rookie Stars or McFadden-Cards Rookie Stars-Phillips.

[Cliff Bowman]

Stick a fork in it! Tom Haller is on the second row and is in the Baker column, the card to his right has to be either Ken Tatum or Frank Robinson. On the miscut Haller the card to his right has the blue bio box that goes across the length of the card, Frank Robinson has the blue bio box that goes across the length of the card and Tatum has the shortened blue bio box. That means the columns go: Checklist-Roland-Fisher-Uhlaender-Fairly-Baker-McFadden-Cards Rookies-Phillips-Meyer-Bertaina. You know what this means, dewey, you gotta make a 132 card virtual sheet now .

[Cliff Bowman]

Here is a miscut with clearer proof that the Phillips column doesn't go in front of the McFadden row in column 7, this Tatum miscut has a card with a shortened blue bio box to his right, it can't be Frank Robinson because Robinson has a full length blue bio box.

[deweyinthehall]

Allelujah!

Further evidence that it's Collins next to Aguirre is that the TM circle on the Collins always drops a bit lower than on Phoebus - also a perfect match.

I will create a mock sheet this weekend.

Now, back to the 1966 6th....there may be a reason that can be shortened
to 666...

[deweyinthehall]

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[Cliff Bowman]

Wow! That was quick. Looks fantastic!

[deweyinthehall]

Thanks - I wanted to grab an image of the incorrect "Adolpho" checklist since that is the one printed with the 7th series, but couldn't find a decent one. Not that you can really tell, but I will always know...

[jmoran19]

Awesome!!!!!

I can also confirm via two 5/6/7 series wax packs I've seen opened that Jose Pagan and Ron Fairly are perfectly placed as well as Frank Luc. and Pete Ward.

Great job everyone, John