FS 1947-48 well made pants jackie robinson - BGS AUTH - UNIQUE

[bums1953]

the only one ever seen and authenticated and a rookie card. has to be jackie's rarest card. price $11,000. obo to paypal as a gift. will accept a check pending clearance. bums1953@yahoo.com or call 561-413-3175

[maniac_73]

It's back!

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

It's back!

must be ground hogs day

I thought I have seen this in the past or in another life

[bums1953]

yes, and its the only one u will ever see because its the only one known. of course you can always buy a tom brady autographed card in lelands for 1 million dollars of which there are 99. i wonder which is the better deal!!

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bums1953

yes, and its the only one u will ever see because its the only one known. of course you can always buy a tom brady autographed card in lelands for 1 million dollars of which there are 99. i wonder which is the better deal!!

Not sure that’s Jeff’s cup of tea and, regardless, not sure which would be the better deal. Either way, good luck with the sale.

[Tyruscobb]

Just curious. Why is there a picture of the card on a computer screen?

[bums1953]

because this photo was taken in my vault by my brother a year ago and put on ebay. being disabled, i cant run to the vault every time i need to take a photo so i use the one i have from ebay. as far as which is a better deal - a brady auto or a robinson rookie one of a kind - with that logic you cant be serious. go ahead and throw out a million bucks on a garbage tom brady auto card. i guess some guys got plenty of money to burn.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bums1953

because this photo was taken in my vault by my brother a year ago and put on ebay. being disabled, i cant run to the vault every time i need to take a photo so i use the one i have from ebay. as far as which is a better deal - a brady auto or a robinson rookie one of a kind - with that logic you cant be serious. go ahead and throw out a million bucks on a garbage tom brady auto card. i guess some guys got plenty of money to burn.

It’s not which one is cooler. I’d personally rather have a Jackie. You said better deal though. That depends on what others would pay for the item in my view. Disagree?

[bums1953]

agree. if someone wants to pay 1 million dollars for a brady autographed card that my grandmother could get signed for free if she ran into him thats there business - not my money. jackie cards are on fire and a one of a kind rookie at my price - come on - guys are paying 30 grand for bond bread portraits which are the most common cards in the 13 card set.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Not sure that’s Jeff’s cup of tea and, regardless, not sure which would be the better deal. Either way, good luck with the sale.

Neither card is my cup of tea. Both cards are interesting an appeal to their collector types.
I am just saying it feels like ground hogs day because every few months your item seams to pop up and then fades away to come back another day.

I wish you well with it.

If you really want to sell it and since as you say his items are hot, You should send it to an auction house and let it go for market value which perhaps will get you more then you are asking

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by bums1953

because this photo was taken in my vault by my brother a year ago and put on ebay. being disabled, i cant run to the vault every time i need to take a photo so i use the one i have from ebay. as far as which is a better deal - a brady auto or a robinson rookie one of a kind - with that logic you cant be serious. go ahead and throw out a million bucks on a garbage tom brady auto card. i guess some guys got plenty of money to burn.

Which card actually sells?

If your card is such an awesome deal, why has it been sitting on Ebay for so long?

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

If you really want to sell it and since as you say his items are hot, You should send it to an auction house and let it go for market value which perhaps will get you more then you are asking

He tried that in 2020. The card sold for $1320 in REA and he must've pulled it back.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Jim65

He tried that in 2020. The card sold for $1320 in REA and he must've pulled it back.

Jim

Wow and thanks for the info. I did not know that and the “price” of that is a little surprising since that is when the cards started to spike so the item if special should have gone for a lot more.

[bums1953]

for all u guys that like to guess at things u know notthing about but think u do - i have already turned down 8 grand on ebay and have basically put up the card for show. i have 3 big auction houses begging me for the card and whem i really want to sell it i will put it up. u guys should stop guessing about something u know nothing about but i guess u got nothing better to do but attempt to insult people. with me it wont work. have a nice life.

[mrreality68]

Hi Paul

‘Not trying to insult trying to understand.

Especially when I see it for sale so many times and for so long.

For me that usually means that either there is no demand for the item or the price is higher than people are willing to pay.

But if you have the auction houses begging you for it then you are in good shape and congrats although again if they want to sell it and you post it here for sale then I do not understand why you do not do it

[bums1953]

theres nothing to understand - i simply put a card up for sale and if i get my price ill sell it - simple as that. i am in no hurry to sell a one of a kind robinson rookie card as it matches nicely with my highest graded pleetwood slacks card. when i get my price it will be sold and if i wanna give it to an auction house i will - WHEN IM READY. i will not respond to this nonsense anymore and dont have to justify what i do with my card just like i dont tell people what to do with their cards - this is sky king signing off

[rjackson44]

Beautiful

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by bums1953

theres nothing to understand - i simply put a card up for sale and if i get my price ill sell it - simple as that. i am in no hurry to sell a one of a kind robinson rookie card as it matches nicely with my highest graded pleetwood slacks card. when i get my price it will be sold and if i wanna give it to an auction house i will - WHEN IM READY. i will not respond to this nonsense anymore and dont have to justify what i do with my card just like i dont tell people what to do with their cards - this is sky king signing off

It is certainly a rare if not unique Jackie Robinson 1948 post card but it did sell for $1300 and change only two short years ago as already stated in this thread somewhere in an REA auction. I'm guessing you were the lucky winner at that time. Good for you. With two bidders who have to have it in a major auction, it may well bring $10K or more but it might bring $1K. REA did a great job of describing it and even speculated it might be unique and it still only brought the $1300 winning bid. However, you are correct that you can ask whatever you want for your item. The seller determines the price, not the buyer except in a real auction.

[Jim65]

Glws

[rand1com]

Well, I can't see where it had a reserve in the REA auction so if he owned it going in and coming out of the auction then he obviously had a proxy bidder that won it for him. I see no other way he still owns it. REA does not allow the consignor to bid on their item so that has to be the only explanation I can come up with. Some items even rare or possibly unique still need two interested bidders to optimize the value of the item and they just weren't there two short years ago in this REA auction.

[bums1953]

boy if u spent as much time looking for a cure for cancer as u do worrying about my card u might find one.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by bums1953

boy if u spent as much time looking for a cure for cancer as u do worrying about my card u might find one.

Why won't you answer the question about it selling for $1320 in 2020 and you still retain ownership?

[maniac_73]

It’s a post card not a rookie card


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[Leon]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

It’s a post card not a rookie card


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There is no rule that says a postcard can't be a rookie card, that I am aware of.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is no rule that says a postcard can't be a rookie card, that I am aware of.

I agree that postcards are often considered Rookie Cards. Think of 1907 Dietsche TY COBB postcards and the likes that are advertised and sold on Auction Houses and it is called one of Cobbs Rookie card

[maniac_73]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I agree that postcards are often considered Rookie Cards. Think of 1907 Dietsche TY COBB postcards and the likes that are advertised and sold on Auction Houses and it is called one of Cobbs Rookie card

Im of the mind that postcards are separate from regular cards and technically shouldn't be called rookies as much as a photo can be a called a rookie. But I'm also aware that its just my opinion and the whole idea of RC has become clouded in recent years so to each their own lol.

[Snapolit1]

If this card appeared today out of nowhere people would be salivating over it. Instead we've been bludgeoned with it seemingly for years, and it hasn't sold. It's like the house in your neighborhood that has been on sale forever for some odd reason. Most peculiar.

[bums1953]

one has to wonder why u are so worried about whether my card sells. i'm not worried. have u got nothing better to do? i'll sell it when i put it in the BIG auction of my choice and it gets my price. just like any NORMAL person - they sell their items when they get their price. maybe u do, but i don't worry about a one of a kind jackie card. enjoy talking about it because you'll never see another one.

[Carter08]

Possibly true, but I feel like I will see this one again and then I’ll be yelled at for buying a Mike Trout refractor (I would never buy) instead of this.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

Im of the mind that postcards are separate from regular cards and technically shouldn't be called rookies as much as a photo can be a called a rookie. But I'm also aware that its just my opinion and the whole idea of RC has become clouded in recent years so to each their own lol.

If one had a sonogram of a player, they would call it a rookie card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I don't understand the interference that's been allowed to go on in this thread.

I'm going to have to re-read the rules and see if something has changed that I wasn't aware of.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't understand the interference that's been allowed to go on in this thread.

I'm going to have to re-read the rules and see if something has changed that I wasn't aware of.

Go re-read the rules. I made one for guys just like you. It's called a catch 22. Lol...
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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Go re-read the rules. I made one for guys just like you. It's called a catch 22. Lol...
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I re-read them. Still says the same thing: There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the BST areas.

Is the OP doing something wrong that I'm unaware of that people are commenting negatively?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I re-read them. Still says the same thing: There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the BST areas.

Is the OP doing something wrong that I'm unaware of that people are commenting negatively?

It feels like the 30th time we've seen this. Guy is unnecessarily combative with people. Has some lame ass scan of the card. Sort of mocks people for not being interested in supposed steal of the century. Declines to answer reasonable questions about it. It's all been a bit of Groundhog day with Bill Murray over here.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

It feels like the 30th times we've seen this. Guy is unnecessarily combative with people. Has some lame ass scan of the card. Sort of mocks people for not being interested in supposed steal of the century. Declines to answer reasonable questions about it. It's all been a bit of Groundhog day with Bill Murray over here.

Plus 1

[rand1com]

He certainly has a right to list his item for sale for any price he wishes.

It is rare!

A Jackie Robinson 1946 American Baseball Bureau Baseball questionnaire filled out by Jackie just brought $1.7 million in a Heritage auction.

Granted, it was directly tied to Jackie and written in his hand but the reason it brought the big money was because he said in answer to one of the questions, "Ambitions in Baseball" that he wanted to "open the door for negroes in organized ball." Obviously was he was referring to the major leagues and in less than one year he had fulfilled that mission.

I saw a pre-auction estimate of a million dollars and laughed thinking it was a crazy estimate. Well, I guess I was right only in the wrong direction.

You obviously had two bidders with unlimited funds who had to have this item. One finally tapped out at this price level.

I'm not comparing this item to that one as far as value, but $10K might well be a bargain although not to the current Net54 or Ebay community.

[Luke]

You might consider letting this run on ebay rather than here. Everyone here knows you have this card, and because of this thread and a few earlier ones, we know it sold for a little over $1k back to you. I can't see how it's a positive for you to keep showing it here, and it bumps other listings down the page here. This postcard is really cool and rare but it doesn't feel rare to me at this point. I feel like I've seen 70% of it 50 times in the last year. Just my 2 cents, great postcard.

[Snapolit1]

"I feel like I've seen 70% of it 50 times in the last year."

Zing.

[Goudey]

Says it doesn't matter if it sells soon, gets mad nobody wants to buy it lmao. Post it on ebay in an auction and let the market decide the value.

[Rhotchkiss]

People, just stop bumping the fucking thread and let it die (again.... until the next time).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I re-read them. Still says the same thing: There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the BST areas.

Is the OP doing something wrong that I'm unaware of that people are commenting negatively?

Read the comments David. He has listed this thing over and over and got on the wrong side of some members in doing so. It's been going on a long time. At this point it's not a big deal to me. And I am not sure you read this part of the rules, it's been there for at least 10 yrs.

**Since there are an unlimited amount of unforeseeable issues that can arise on the board, the moderator may make any decision he feels is in the best interest of Net54baseball, regardless of any written or oral rules.


Ryan- LOL

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[bums1953]

leon - u r correct. i love listening to this false garbage made up by some members. first of all one guy said i get mad if they dont buy the card. totally false - i could care less if the card sells or not. secondly they are the ones that keep bumping the card and using fowl language which id bet is against the rules - under the fowl language constitution. truth is all i did is list a card for sale from day one and they want to keep giving it publicity. where in the world does it say i am required to give anyone the history of the card? is that a new rule in the constution. lets see these guys tell everyone where the got there cards and how much they were years ago - are these guys for real? its simple english - if u dont want the card dont buy it - maybe they need an interpretor. im done with this balony - let the members complain since theyve got nothing better to do.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Luke

You might consider letting this run on ebay rather than here. Everyone here knows you have this card, and because of this thread and a few earlier ones, we know it sold for a little over $1k back to you. I can't see how it's a positive for you to keep showing it here, and it bumps other listings down the page here. This postcard is really cool and rare but it doesn't feel rare to me at this point. I feel like I've seen 70% of it 50 times in the last year. Just my 2 cents, great postcard.

Now that made this thread totally worth it!
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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by bums1953

leon - u r correct. i love listening to this false garbage made up by some members. first of all one guy said i get mad if they dont buy the card. totally false - i could care less if the card sells or not. secondly they are the ones that keep bumping the card and using fowl language which id bet is against the rules - under the fowl language constitution. truth is all i did is list a card for sale from day one and they want to keep giving it publicity. where in the world does it say i am required to give anyone the history of the card? is that a new rule in the constution. lets see these guys tell everyone where the got there cards and how much they were years ago - are these guys for real? its simple english - if u dont want the card dont buy it - maybe they need an interpretor. im done with this balony - let the members complain since theyve got nothing better to do.

But you did buy back the card in the Robert Edwards auction, did you not? Do they know because they now have your Champ Hats Roby. Will you be bidding on that one? Just curious. I know we are in an era in the hobby of anything goes but seems wrong to not call this out and to not put Robert Edwards on notice.

[Snapolit1]

It's funny how the lousy photograph of this "1947-48" post card is always cut off or obscured at the flip. . . and BVG calls in 1948, which of course is not 1947-48. And not a rookie card. But I quibble.

I'd think a blatant misrepresentation like that would enough to ban a post, but thankfully I'm not one of the traffic copes around here.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

But you did buy back the card in the Robert Edwards auction, did you not? Do they know because they now have your Champ Hats Roby. Will you be bidding on that one? Just curious. I know we are in an era in the hobby of anything goes but seems wrong to not call this out and to not put Robert Edwards on notice.

Let me preface this reply by saying I think bums 1953 is hands down one of the top 5 D-Bags on this site. So now that you know how I really feel, I have no problem with someone buying their own card back at auction -- as long as they complete the transaction, and presumably pay the buyer's premium. why not? Its tantamount to putting a reserve on a card, except much more costly (unless the AH charges a BP on the unmet reserve amount, which Heritage does). It is not shill bidding, because the intent is not to make someone pay more, but rather a way of protecting an investment if you believe the card is not selling for what it is worth, or you simply have sellers remorse and do not want to lose the card.

Ryan Hotchkiss

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Let me preface this reply by saying I think bums 1953 is hands down one of the top 5 D-Bags on this site. So now that you know how I really feel, I have no problem with someone buying their own card back at auction -- as long as they complete the transaction, and presumably pay the buyer's premium. why not? Its tantamount to putting a reserve on a card, except much more costly (unless the AH charges a BP on the unmet reserve amount, which Heritage does). It is not shill bidding, because the intent is not to make someone pay more, but rather a way of protecting an investment if you believe the card is not selling for what it is worth, or you simply have sellers remorse and do not want to lose the card.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Your argument is pure semantics. The outcome and purpose are the same - trying to increase your card’s price and, in turn, your net. The purpose behind shill bidding (with a fake account or through an agent) is to increase the card’s hammer price to make more money.

The purpose behind openly bidding on your own card is to increase the card’s hammer price, because you feel it is selling lower than it should - i.e. you won’t make what you feel like you deserve. The only difference is possibly the intent, but the outcome and purpose are the same. This is why AHs allow people to choose a reserve price.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Your argument is pure semantics. The outcome and purpose are the same - trying to increase your card’s price and, in turn, your net. The purpose behind shill bidding (with a fake account or through an agent) is to increase the card’s hammer price to make more money.

The purpose behind openly bidding on your own card is to increase the card’s hammer price, because you feel it is selling lower than it should - i.e. you won’t make what you feel like you deserve. The only difference is possibly the intent, but the outcome and purpose are the same. This is why AHs allow people to choose a reserve price.

I understand Ryan's point but then the consignor should use a reserve or a high starting bid, which is at least being transparent. We all want as much as we can get if we are selling but maybe an auction is not the way to go then.

In the case of the Well Made Pants item, it was clearly not for sale unless the consignor got some price he had in mind. Given the fact the card was up on eBay and posted on here 2 years prior to being offered in Robert Edwards, and then immediately after the auction ended, suggests the consignor needs to be more realistic.

Do the owners of Robert Edwards even know the card was bought back? If so why are they continuing to do business with this guy who is violating their terms???

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Let me preface this reply by saying I think bums 1953 is hands down one of the top 5 D-Bags on this site. So now that you know how I really feel, I have no problem with someone buying their own card back at auction -- as long as they complete the transaction, and presumably pay the buyer's premium. why not? Its tantamount to putting a reserve on a card, except much more costly (unless the AH charges a BP on the unmet reserve amount, which Heritage does). It is not shill bidding, because the intent is not to make someone pay more, but rather a way of protecting an investment if you believe the card is not selling for what it is worth, or you simply have sellers remorse and do not want to lose the card.

Ryan Hotchkiss

That's not how the government viewed it in the Mastro case.