Carmelo Deportivo

[Bestdj777]

Any chance anyone ha gone through the sets to identify the players by US team, where applicable? Just kind of curious how many and which Negro League players are in the 1945-46 and 1946-47 sets.

[nwobhm]

Julio "Jiqui" Moreno played in the AL briefly.

[Chris Counts]

I don't know the answer, but I'd like to know. For some time, I've been searching for minor league cards from the 1950s of guys who played in Negro Leagues. Mothers Cookies and Remar Bread have some good ones. Here is my one and only Carmelo Deportivo, and the player definitely made it to the majors. I got the card from a major dealer who didn't realize Minnie's first name is Orestes.

[Exhibitman]

Here's a HOFer from the set:



International Boxing Hall of Fame class of 2007. Bio:

"Born Carlos Conde in 1908. Conde began his career in sports as an announcer for Cuban radio in 1929 and developed a strong following at CMQ radio in Havana. He also wrote sports news stories for a variety of Cuban daily papers including Diario Nacional, El Crisol and Diaro de la Marina.

He soon ventured into boxing promotions and operated shows at the Palacio de Deportes and Ciudad Deportiva. Conde's involvement in the sweet science expanded and he soon managed a stable of top boxers. After relocating to Miami following Castro's rise to power, he famously guided the careers of Cuban born, Mexico-based Hall of Fame champions Ultiminio (Sugar) Ramos (featherweight) and Jose (Mantequilla) Napoles (welterweight).

In the mid-1970s, Conde returned to broadcasting and worked as a sportscaster at the Spanish language WFAB and also wrote a newspaper column titled Sports Cocktail."

Ray Dandridge 45-46

[moranbpc8]

Hello:
The players from the US in the 1945-46 set were
#12 Barney (actually Bonnie) Serrell (Negro League 1941-45)
#25 Ray Dandridge (Negro Leagues 1933-44)
#26 Booker McDaniel (Negro League 1941-45)
#30 Raymond Brown (Negro League 1931-45)
#42 Charles (actually Cecil Kaiser(Negro League 1947)
#51 Charles (Terris) McDuffie (Negro League 1930-45)
#91 Lloyd Davenport (Negro League 1935-45)

Non Negro Leagues (played in Organized Ball at Minor Leagues and/or National/American Leagues

#21 Lou Knerr (MLB: American League 1945-47)
#23 Charles (Red) Adams (MLB National League 1946)
#45 Lou Klein (MLB: American and National Leagues 1943-51)
#47 Dick Sisler (son of George Sisler (MLB National League 1946-53)
#48 Jim (actually Art) Rebel (MLB 1938 and 1945 in NL)
#52 Fred Martin (MLB 1946-50 NL)

sources seamsheads.com and baseball-reference.com

I hope this helps.

[Bestdj777]

Thank you Brian and everyone! I managed to pick up four cards and am pretty pleased. Got Raul Navarro (1945-1946), Henry Kimbo (1946-1947), and two places that played exclusively in the Cuban League.

I recall reading a book when I was a child and one of the characters was shown some Negro League cards, and I remember thinking how cool it would be to have one. Glad to now have a couple to look at and eventually show to my kids/teach my kids about.

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

Originally Posted by moranbpc8

Hello:
The players from the US in the 1945-46 set were
#12 Barney (actually Bonnie) Serrell (Negro League 1941-45)
#25 Ray Dandridge (Negro Leagues 1933-44)
#26 Booker McDaniel (Negro League 1941-45)
#30 Raymond Brown (Negro League 1931-45)
#42 Charles (actually Cecil Kaiser(Negro League 1947)
#51 Charles (Terris) McDuffie (Negro League 1930-45)
#91 Lloyd Davenport (Negro League 1935-45)

Non Negro Leagues (played in Organized Ball at Minor Leagues and/or National/American Leagues

#21 Lou Knerr (MLB: American League 1945-47)
#23 Charles (Red) Adams (MLB National League 1946)
#45 Lou Klein (MLB: American and National Leagues 1943-51)
#47 Dick Sisler (son of George Sisler (MLB National League 1946-53)
#48 Jim (actually Art) Rebel (MLB 1938 and 1945 in NL)
#52 Fred Martin (MLB 1946-50 NL)

sources seamsheads.com and baseball-reference.com

I hope this helps.

This site continues to deliver the goods...I was specifically searching for this information on Google and a link to this post showed up.

Actually, due to some additional research, I have a card to ADD to the Negro League list.

I believe that Pedro Medina (card 50) is actually a card of Negro League player Lázaro Medina. Not sure if he went by both Pedro and Lázaro?

According to the complete list of players linked from this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...seball_players Pedro Medina pitched for the Cuban Stars in 1906 and 1907....but his picture looks nothing like the Pedro Medina on card 50.

However, Lázaro Medina reportedly pitched for the Cincinnati Clowns in 1944 and 1945. Lázaro's picture looks like the guy on card 50 and the back of Medina's card literally says that Pedro "Played in 1945 in the United States with the Cincinatti Clowns". I feel like that is sufficient evidence

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[JLange]

The set also includes Sal Maglie of NY Giants fame, and Beto Avila, aka Bobby Avila, the 1954 AL batting champ with the Cleveland Indians.

[GeoPoto]

Ramón "El Profesor" Bragaña was a Cuban baseball pitcher and outfielder in the Negro leagues and the Mexican League. 15 hits and 1 home run in 1 MLB season. He played professionally from 1928 to 1955, mostly with the Cuban Stars (East) (1928–1930), the Azules de Veracruz (1940–1951), and the Águila de Veracruz (1955). He was elected to the Cuban Baseball Hall of Fame in 1959, and the Salón de la Fama del Beisbol Profesional de México in 1964.

Baseball Reference biographical info includes the following: Ramón Bragaña was one of the greatest Cuban pitchers of the 1940s, taking over the title from Dolf Luque, but he was too dark-skinned to get a shot in Major League Baseball. The other candidate for the top Cuban hurler of the era was Martin Dihigo. Bragaña began playing in Cuba's winter league in 1929 and in the summer in the Negro Leagues at about the same time. In '30, he was 5-3 in his first regular playing time. That winter, Bragaña lost a 2-1 pitching duel to Carl Hubbell in Cuba; Bill Terry was 4 for 4 off of Bragana, who allowed 11 hits, but no unearned runs.

In 1937, Bragaña joined many other Negro Leaguers in playing in the Dominican Republic, lured by the money offered by dictator Rafael Trujillo. That winter he again faced some major-leaguers, when the New York Giants came to Cuba. Bragaña won game 3 in Havana by a 6-1 score. Terry said "Ramon Bragaña is just about as great a pitcher as I ever saw. He had speed, a wonderful assortment of curves, and control. Didn't pass a man." Bragaña pitched a 1-1 tie in game 6, lasting 12 innings; in 21 innings against New York Bragaña had allowed 2 runs and 10 hits. Bragana drove in the only run for the Cuban team that game. Terry said that if Bragana were lighter-skinned, he would have signed him for the Giants.

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[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

This set has piqued my interest recently. Interesting mix of Negro League players, Cuban league players, Mexico league players, and American major/minor league players. I picked up this lot of 1945-46 cards on Ebay as a starter lot, and they are pretty cool (and literally paper thin). I've further researched the set and learned about the album, the hard to find last card (collectors had to assemble 99 cards in the album and then they could receive the final card as a premium), and various other facts. The cards are definitely scarce, but overall not crazy expensive (except for the hall of famers, Minnoso, Dandridge, etc.).

Cool set. But I can't decide if I should go "all in" and start chasing it or not. Anyone else currently trying to complete this set?

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[ALR-bishop]

John---thanks for posting the pics. I think you should go all in, complete the set and post them here as you get them

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

John---thanks for posting the pics. I think you should go all in, complete the set and post them here as you get them

Haha...thanks for the feedback.

The only problem is that you all won't get much enjoyment out of watching me build it because I am a V E R Y S L O W set builder. I'm coming up on five years of my 1952 Bowman set build, and those cards are EASY to find. My 1935 Goudey set is coming up on four years, and I'm only 30% done. And my W517 set only gets a new card added about every 6 months.

At those rates, this difficult Caramelo Deportivo set might take me about 50 years

[darkhorse9]

Originally Posted by thatkidfromjerrymaguire

. Anyone else currently trying to complete this set?

I've got 95 of the 100 cards as well as the album. The only ones I'm missing are Ray Dandridge, Raymond Brown, Martin Dihigo and, obviously the Napoleon Rayes.

I haven't decided if or when I'll work on getting the three that would complete the set at 99. Those prices are sky high right now.

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

Originally Posted by darkhorse9

I've got 95 of the 100 cards as well as the album. The only ones I'm missing are Ray Dandridge, Raymond Brown, Martin Dihigo and, obviously the Napoleon Rayes.

I haven't decided if or when I'll work on getting the three that would complete the set at 99. Those prices are sky high right now.

Oh, that's awesome!

You didn't mention Minoso...so that must mean you have that one. Hopefully you picked it up PRIOR to his HOF induction, because that card is also REALLY expensive now.

As for the Napoleon Reyes, I've seen pictures of the card, but never actually seen one for sale.

I think in the thread about Cuban cards on the Main page, someone mentioned there are different versions of the Reyes out there, some with text on the front, some without. Talk about scarce!

[iconsportscards]

I just acquired a partial set of 1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo and was doing some research on the players. Here are some additional Negro/Minor/Major Leaguers that I don't believe were previously listed here. Dihigo and Reyes may be obvious, but were not specifically mentioned in the above lists so I added them.

#9 Jose Fernandez, New York Cubans player and manager, also played for several other Negro League teams (playing career spanned 1915-1947!)
#10 Jose Luis Colas, Memphis Red Sox 1947-1951
#13 Claro Duany, New York Cubans 1944, 1947, Minor League Sherbrooke Athletics 1948-1951
#18 Lazaro Salazar, Negro Leagues on and off 1930-1936, Cuban, Mexican, and Venezuelan Baseball HOF
#33 Julio Rojo, Negro Leagues on and off 1916-1936
#34 Heberto Blanco, New York Cubans 1941-42
#35 Pedro Formental, Memphis Red Sox 1947, 1949, Caribbean Baseball HOF
#37 Carlos Blanco, New York Cubans 1941
#39 Rogelio "Ice Cream" Linares, New York Cubans 1940, 1943-1946
#43 Manuel "Cocaina" Garcia, Cuban stars East, Cuban stars West, New York Cubans
#44 Alberto Hernandez (Sagua), New York Cubans 1941
#55 Adolfo "Dolf" Luque, played in the Majors for the Braves, Reds, Brooklyn Robins, Giants, Cuban Baseball HOF
#59 Alejandro Crespo, New York Cubans 1946
#61 Pedro Pages, New York Cubans 1939, 1947, Minor League Sherbrooke Athletics 1951
#62 Silvio Garcia, New York Cubans
#63 Carlos Colas, New York Cubans 1940-41, Memphis Red Sox 1949-52
#65 Martin Dihigo, Negro Leagues periodically from 1923-1945, MLB Hall of Famer
#73 Napolean Reyes SP, played for New York Giants 1943-45, 1950, Caribbean Baseball HOF
#78 Bartolo Portuondo, Negro Leagues 1916-1922 for Cuban Stars East, West, and Kansas City Monarchs
#83 Hector Rodriguez, New York Cubans and Chicago White Sox, Caribbean Baseball HOF
#84 Cleveland Clark (Chiflan), New York Cubans 1945-48
#94 Avelino Cañizares Cleveland Buckeyes 1945, Minor League Sherbrooke Athletics 1950




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[GeoPoto]

Sandalio S. Consuegra Castellon. Cuban-born pitcher for the Washington Senators in 1950-1953. 51 wins and 28 saves in 8 MLB seasons. 1954 All-Star. His best season was 1954 with the Chicago White Sox as he posted a 16-3 record with 4 saves and a 2.69 ERA in 154 innings pitched. He ended his career with the New York Giants in 1957.

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[Scocs]

You overlooked card #66 of Luis Tiant, Sr., who played nearly two decades for the Cuban Stars and New York Cubans.

[CardboardisCrazy]

Hello everyone, I'm in search of any and all Cuban league cards! I'm mostly looking for negro league guys. But of course, there are other names listed below!
Please contact me if you'd like to sell any items, I have plenty of vouchers and references to get any deals done!

“Cool papa bell”
“Josh Gibson”
“Buck Leonard”
“Oscar Charleston”
“Martin Dihigo”
“Jackie Robinson”
“Ray Dandridge”
“John Donaldson”
“John Lloyd”
“Minnie Minoso”
“Hilton Smith”
“Jose Mendez”
“Cristóbal Torriente”
“Turkey Stearns”
“Leon Day”
“Larry Doby”
“Willard Brown”
“Bullet Rogan”
“Dolf Luque”
“Alejandro Oms”
“Willie wells”
"Valentin Dreke"
"Ben Taylor"
"Sol white"
"Hilton Smith"
"Mule Suttles"
"Smokey Joe Williams"
"Willie Foster"
"Judy Johnson"