The Cleveland Guardians? Yes, It's Official

[conor912]

Should have just gone with the Cleveland Wokes.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by conor912

Should have just gone with the Cleveland Wokes.

And that would offend the insomniacs.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by conor912

Should have just gone with the Cleveland Wokes.

The Cleveland Capitulaters

[conor912]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And that would offend the insomniacs.

Just like Naps would offend siestas and slumbers

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

lmfao

[Exhibitman]

I find it ironic that some people want to cancel "cancel culture".

I just learned that "Guardians" has a local history involving 100 year old statues on the road to the stadium area, and that they tried to find a name with the "dians" so they could maintain the logo style and nod to the old name.

I would still prefer the Spiders...their mascot could be Boris.

https://youtu.be/JWpz2OYf1QU

[dfletch00]

Long live Louis

I liked Spiders and Blues both better but could have been worse....
moving on... im more upset about the 9th inning blown save last night....
Go Tribe !

[JollyElm]

That name is the epitome of awfulness!!!!! What in high f_ck???????????

They should have no name at all, with just a bold, handwritten 'x' on the front of the jersey as a symbol of cancel culture. And perhaps any fan showing up in something with a Cleveland Indians logo on it should be immediately arrested.

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Or better yet, call them the Cleveland Cortis, to memorialize the ITALIAN actor who played the fake, crying Indian in those memorable 1970 TV commercials, Espera Oscar de Corti. Quite apropos.

[SAllen2556]

Now if they could just change the name "Cleveland" they'd really have something.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Now if they could just change the name "Cleveland" they'd really have something.

Hahahaha

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

As someone who’s team is named after laundry, and not even fancy top layer laundry, I find this hard to get up in arms about.

I was going to say the same thing!

[JustinD]

...I was really hoping they would go with Cleveland Steamers to really signify how this whole thing was handled.

[peanuts]

Honestly, it's not that bad, just a bit generic. It looks like they're leaning into an Art Deco style, which will be a nice break from the usual.

Folks from Cleveland, did the campaign to pick the Spiders ever really take off locally? It always seemed to get good traction online, but never saw it mentioned in any Ohio media.

[JollyElm]

Coming soon...

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[hcv123]

The Cleveland apologists!? or the Cleveland Cancel Culturists?

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The Cleveland apologists!? or the Cleveland Cancel Culturists?

Both are great! hopefully the Braves will be next.

[jcmtiger]

Look at what is happening here, changing names of streets, sports teams, removing statues, etc, on and on. We should be looking at China & see how they control their people, it’s happening here.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I see. You get to decide what is tradition and what is offensive. Damn shame the Cleveland ownership didn't consult with you before deciding to change names.

As was discussed back late last year, this so-called cancel culture has been going on for half a century now when it comes to teams changing their nicknames. So you can piss and moan all you want, it's not going away.

Cancel culture has been going on for 50 years?

[frankbmd]

Why not a threatening geographic name

Introducing the CLEVELAND EERIES

[Leon]

Originally Posted by cammb

Cancel culture has been going on for 50 years?

No where close to the extent it is now. I can't even get Uncle Ben's rice any longer. Now it's Uncle Harry's or something (no offense to anyone named Harry)

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by cammb

Cancel culture has been going on for 50 years?

That's my point-- there is nothing real new here. The Stanford team changed its name from the Indians to Cardinals in 1972, and several other teams followed suit in the ensuing few years. There was no such term as cancel culture, now it's considered some kind of movement fostered by a sort of evil, anti-American, what have they done to my great country cabal. Oh the horror!

[BobC]

I wonder if we'd be having this discussion had the Indians agreed to give a percentage of their take every year to some indian tribes or charities for the supposed use of the term "Indians"? Would be interesting to see how the "insulted" ethnic group would have reacted had the team ownership just voluntarily decided to change the name, and then informed those tribes/charities they would no longer be getting any money from the team.

[packs]

Maybe it's true that naming the team the Cleveland Indians was out of respect but it clearly didn't last. Chief Wahoo could not be confused with respect on any level in my opinion. I'm not sure why there's always resistance to ending bad practices. Why would anyone want to perpetuate Chief Wahoo? Or an association with it? Even though I don't like Guardians it is a clean break from all things Wahoo. Although I think Naps or Spiders would have accomplished the same thing.

[Hirbonzig]

If Cleveland is going to come up with a crappy new name, might as well go further and call themselves the “Mistakes”. Named after the cozy confines of the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium affectionately known as the mistake on the lake.

[mr2686]

As far as tradition goes, I don't think a name change really matters. So many teams in all sports have moved over the years and change their names to align with the new city (and if they don't it seems odd) and so many many players change teams every year that they don't even know who they're playing for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzrbp_WR8w

[jbsports33]

Why not the "Spiders" just crazy!

Jimmy

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by jbsports33

Why not the "Spiders" just crazy!

Jimmy

Supposedly IP issues.

[ctownboy]

I don't like the new name. If they were going to go with something boring then they should have just renamed the team the Cleveland Meh's.

David

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

That's my point-- there is nothing real new here. The Stanford team changed its name from the Indians to Cardinals in 1972, and several other teams followed suit in the ensuing few years. There was no such term as cancel culture, now it's considered some kind of movement fostered by a sort of evil, anti-American, what have they done to my great country cabal. Oh the horror!

This ^^^

You “cancel culture” people…get over it!
Ben is not my uncle and Jemima is not my aunt.
Do some research

[paulmolive]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how awful this is. The Guardians? Ridiculous times

[Tabe]

The name isn't great - a tribute to bridge pillars?!? - but, at the end of the day, I don't care. The owners are free to do whatever they want with the name.

[philo98]

I was at Progressive Field tonight. When they announced the new name before the game, most of the crowd booed. I don’t care either way. But I can tell you after living 25+ years overseas, my experience back in the country is everyone is afraid….. about everything. Thank god for baseball though. Come October 4 we are leaving and will be back first week of April for the next season.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Love it!

[Jim65]

Why stop there?

Minnesota Twins is offensive to Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.
San Francisco Giants is offensive to Gheorghe Muresan and Manute Bol.
Buffalo Bills is offensive to Deblasio, Gates, Clinton and Cosby

[egri]

I’m not a fan of it, both the decision to change and the new name. I thought Guardians was lame when the Space Force took it, and still do.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Why stop there?

Oh, they're not stopping there. They won't be satisfied until every team has a name like Unicorns, Rainbows or Butterflies.

Who's next? Possibly the New York Jets

https://www.foxnews.com/media/concha...global-warming

But it is what it is. What can you do? So, I try to find humor in their dumbass ways. After all, this is the same group of dumbasses that think there are more than 2 genders.

[Frank A]

My first thought when I read this on the internet was, "What a stupid name". Teams should let the fans come up with a name. Oh well.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Oh, they're not stopping there. They won't be satisfied until every team has a name like Unicorns, Rainbows or Butterflies.

Who's next? Possibly the New York Jets

https://www.foxnews.com/media/concha...global-warming

But it is what it is. What can you do? So, I try to find humor in their dumbass ways. After all, this is the same group of dumbasses that think there are more than 2 genders.

By THEY you mean the few people that object to everything and anything and the gutless corporations just cave in. The name change doesn’t bother me at all. I have quit watching baseball two years ago. They can all go to hell!

Which one will be the mascot

[661fish]

Sad. What's sadder is the people on here that think it's good.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by cammb

By THEY you mean the few people that object to everything and anything and the gutless corporations just cave in. The name change doesn’t bother me at all. I have quit watching baseball two years ago. They can all go to hell!

But when you drill down, and see what's happening all around, it has nothing to do with name changes. These people calling for name changes don't give a damn about the names. Their goal is to get you to conform and think like them.

Let me give you a good example. How many liberal politicians called for a mask mandate and then were photographed in public without a mask when they thought no one was looking? Many of them. It wasn't about masks. It was about compliance.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Oh, they're not stopping there. They won't be satisfied until every team has a name like Unicorns, Rainbows or Butterflies.

Who's next? Possibly the New York Jets

https://www.foxnews.com/media/concha...global-warming

But it is what it is. What can you do? So, I try to find humor in their dumbass ways. After all, this is the same group of dumbasses that think there are more than 2 genders.

Shouldn't the state of Indiana have to change their name now? What about Indianapolis? Indian Wells, CA? Indian River, FL? Where does it end?

[stlcardsfan]

I guess the Braves are next.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by BobC

I wonder if we'd be having this discussion had the Indians agreed to give a percentage of their take every year to some indian tribes or charities for the supposed use of the term "Indians"? Would be interesting to see how the "insulted" ethnic group would have reacted had the team ownership just voluntarily decided to change the name, and then informed those tribes/charities they would no longer be getting any money from the team.

You may want to re-examine your assumptions here. There is certainly still significant poverty in native communities, but tribes are considered sovereign nations and in many states are quite rich due to operating casinos and other businesses. Here in Oklahoma, our governor had the brilliant idea that he would renegotiate the gaming compact with the tribes to increase the revenue for the state. The tribes basically told him to f--k off and made it stick. The tribes are probably the most powerful political constituency in Oklahoma behind the oil and gas industry. So, throwing a little charity their way under the assumption they'll be grateful for your largesse may fail spectacularly.

Funny (now) story. My wife is an Ohio girl and while I am not originally from there, it is where my family lives now. A number of years ago, on a visit, I (without even thinking) bought an Indians ballcap with the Chief Wahoo logo on it. When I got back home (without even thinking) I wore it out in public, I got a lot of dirty looks. Needless to say, the hat was relegated to yardwork duty and, within a year, was in the trash.

As for the name, I love it. Cleveland is a great town and the Guardians of Transportation are a significant local landmark. They are part of the Hope Memorial Bridge which connects the Ohio City neighborhood to downtown. The ballpark sits at the east end of the bridge. My wife and I were back there a few weekends ago for a wedding. As is our habit, we went to Ohio City for lunch and a visit to the Market Garden microbrewery (which uses a Guardian in their corporate logo.) There was a little art fair going on in a plaza across 25th Street from the West Side Market and there was a lot of Guardian inspired artwork on display. I even bought this t-shirt:



It really made me realize how much the Guardians of Transportation are part of Clevelands identity.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Mark17

And the Indians were named after Sockalexis. Why can a team be named after some people and no offense is taken (Brown, Lajoie) but not others?

It seems like for every tradition in this country, there is somebody intent on tearing it down.

They weren't named after Sockalexis. Otherwise, they would have been called the Cleveland Socks.

[philliesfan]

I will always refer to them as the Indians.
I will always refer to the Washington football club as the Redskins.
Same for all other changes.

And I will ALWAYS stand for our National Anthem.

That's just me.
Bob
Besides, the Guardians? What a horrible name.

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Which is worse? To memorialize a KKK member with a bust or parade with them?

I am sure that you know that your post is disingenuous BS. Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK in his youth, later calling it the biggest mistake of his life. He renounced the KKK, racism and segregation. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a traitor, an unrepentant racist and a sociopathic murderer.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

I am sure that you know that your post is disingenuous BS.

More disingenuous than your BS post?

You think political reasons might have been why Byrd renounced the KKK, racism and segregation?

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

More disingenuous than your BS post?

You think political reasons might have been why Byrd renounced the KKK, racism and segregation?

You are the one who compared him to the author of the Fort Pillow massacre and the Grand Wizard of the KKK. I am not sure that Senator Byrd was too concerned about “political reasons”considering that his state, even today, is more than 93% white. So President Biden was photographed with Senator Byrd. That proves exactly what? Shall I post the dozens of photos of Trump with known racists, insurrectionists and pedophiles? To what end?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

you are the one who compared him to the author of the fort pillow massacre and the grand wizard of the kkk. I am not sure that senator byrd was too concerned about “political reasons”considering that his state, even today, is more than 93% white. So president biden was photographed with senator byrd. That proves exactly what? Shall i post the dozens of photos of trump with known racists, insurrectionists and pedophiles? To what end?

Can't reason with stupidity.