1952-69 Mantle run with PSA 5 52T on ebay

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303959968373

Wow, right?

But...

Compare the 52T (first picture) with the 52T of the same cert. number sold back in 2008 in Goodwin (second picture).

Draw your own, as the saying goes.

[D. Bergin]

Is that a reholder?


or is that just a fake card and holder?

[Fuddjcal]

Wowsee is right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Is that a reholder?


or is that just a fake card and holder?

The cards are completely different they aren't even the same variation.

[aconte]

Will the real Mickey Mantle please stand up!

Not sure if Kitty Calisle would be able to guess this one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by aconte

Will the real Mickey Mantle please stand up!

Not sure if Kitty Calisle would be able to guess this one.

Anyone who can't tell should not be buying a 52T Mantle.

But here's a good resource.

https://bbcemporium.com/index.php?st...omemade%20flip.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The cards are completely different they aren't even the same variation.

The type "Type 2" seemingly has an overlapping, strike through the top left black border around the card. Usually more prominent in the Type A. Also, the font on the PSA holder where the #311 is, and the bar codes are off.

Me thinks it's Fakey Mantle. Steven Serge usually sells cars and came out of nowhere to sell his Mantle collection, so perhaps the poor guy got beat like a red headed stepchild?

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303959968373

Wow, right?

But...

Compare the 52T (first picture) with the 52T of the same cert. number sold back in 2008 in Goodwin (second picture).

Draw your own, as the saying goes.

The barcodes are even different. Too hot to handle.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Mexican Mantle, yay. Note the barcodes aren't even remotely similar.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

not a fan of the 1951 Bowman either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

not a fan of the 1951 Bowman either.

Stay tuned.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

not a fan of the 1951 Bowman either.

I was going to say the same thing. No way that one is real either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ebay 51 followed by a different one with same cert. The second one is Mile High March 2009.

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=10474

[pawpawdiv9]

i thought the 51 looked bad. the bottom line looked humpy or wavy. And the black box looked smudgey dark-like
With these ALL PSA---would this person be on the registry??

[D. Bergin]

Looks like Mr. Serge might have traded a couple of custom cars, for a couple of custom cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Looks like Mr. Serge might have traded a couple of custom cars, for a couple of custom cards.

In my younger days I would have told the ebay seller, ebay, and Joe Orlando. Now I'm too jaded to bother.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

i thought the 51 looked bad. the bottom line looked humpy or wavy. And the black box looked smudgey dark-like
With these ALL PSA---would this person be on the registry??

The barcodes on the flip don't match either.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Looks like Mr. Serge might have traded a couple of custom cars, for a couple of custom cards.

Not bad of collection of cars-- check them out www.SergesAutoSales.com

[marzoumanian]

A simple thank you for your efforts and diligence. I salute you. Peace and best of health.

[pokerplyr80]

Not sure I remember seeing a seller with 0% positive feedback, yet a feedback number over 100

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by marzoumanian

A simple thank you for your efforts and diligence. I salute you. Peace and best of health.

I'm just the mouthpiece here, others alerted me to this.

[Casey2296]

Thank you Peter, reported for fraud.
How much is a Mantle run reprint set going for nowadays?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Not sure I remember seeing a seller with 0% positive feedback, yet a feedback number over 100

Anybody with no transactions over the past 12 months will show up at 0%.

Both his business's Facebook page and his Ebay page appears to have been very inactive for several years.

[pokerplyr80]

Assuming these are fakes, which seems at worst extremely likely, why put a six figure reserve on the auction?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Assuming these are fakes, which seems at worst extremely likely, why put a six figure reserve on the auction?

Maybe Mr. Serge (or whoever hijacked his account), got bamboozled himself, and doesn't know they are fakes. Maybe he found out later they are fakes, auction houses didn't want to touch them and he's trying to cut his losses.

Who knows right now?


One things for sure. He really wants to do this mostly off site, whoever is selling this "collection".

Terms of Sale: $2500.00 deposit due at auction close via Paypal. No exceptions. Final payment via wire or certified bank check. Contract of sale and identification will gladly be provided before any monies are sent. Winning bid includes fully insured shipping at our expense within the Continental United States. Local pick-up after payment has cleared available in the Tri-State PA, NY and NJ area at our local banking institution during regular business hours also available. Your bid is a contract to PURCHASE, not to reserve the right to negotiate.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Don't think you are allowed to dictate terms of payment like that on ebay.

[BRoberts]

Low-hanging fruit is often the most bland.

[Delray Vintage]

Looks like no longer on eBay.

[Fjd133]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Assuming these are fakes, which seems at worst extremely likely, why put a six figure reserve on the auction?

So you can shill bid it up and not be responsible if you end up the high bidder?


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Delray Vintage

Looks like no longer on eBay.

The link still shows an active auction for me.

[pokerplyr80]

Yes still active

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yes still active

The odds that ebay does anything about it are .. well … low I would say.

[Rhotchkiss]

As always, thanks Peter.

Clearly the cards are different and one set of flips (the ones on eBay) are apparently fake. However, are the cards fake? I don’t know those sets well enough to really tell. But that bottom border on the 51 mantle is atrocious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

As always, thanks Peter.

Clearly the cards are different and one set of flips (the ones on eBay) are apparently fake. However, are the cards fake? I don’t know those sets well enough to really tell. But that bottom border on the 51 mantle is atrocious.

The 52T does not have the telltale missing pixel at the lower left corner of the black border. That and the color looks washed out.

[Jim F]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

i thought the 51 looked bad. the bottom line looked humpy or wavy. And the black box looked smudgey dark-like
With these ALL PSA---would this person be on the registry??

51 is not even a good fake

[Bigdaddy]

Yeah, not only are the barcodes different on the flips, but the printing on the flips is different. On the '52, the grade "Ex 5" takes up two lines where on the Goodwin, it is on one line.

Fake cards, fake flips. I would not be surprised if some of the others have problems also.

[russkcpa]

The 62 Topps HR leaders PSA 7 looks OK

[Peter_Spaeth]

This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing.

[Santo10Fan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The cards are completely different they aren't even the same variation.