Any One Collect Pins?

[Collectorsince62]

I recently picked up a nice memorabilia collection that included these two pins. Hoping someone could help with the age and approximate value. Thanks.

[edtiques]

The Cardinals pin sold for $86.00 on ebay recently:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-amp-Vi...p2047675.l2557

The Missouri pin is for sale on ebay for $12.50:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-195...MAAOSwem9ebXjA

[edtiques]

Sorry,double post.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by Collectorsince62

I recently picked up a nice memorabilia collection that included these two pins. Hoping someone could help with the age and approximate value. Thanks.

Your Missouri football pin is common ,yours looks to be in nice shape range 8-15 dollars. Your cardinals pin also looks in nice shape I believe its 2 1/8 size saint louis button company on the back, more collectible with a range of 40 -70 dollars. Hope that helps...

[BuzzD]

Can anyone ID this pin?

[sayhey24]

I doubt the Austin pin was issued that way -- someone probably made it on their own at home.
It has a cool look to it.

Greg

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by sayhey24

I doubt the Austin pin was issued that way -- someone probably made it on their own at home.
It has a cool look to it.

Greg

Very strange looking.....you would normally think someone wold paste another image on top of a pin....this one looks as if someone cut through the cello and put the image behind the hole. I also noticed the Union stamp is relatively large.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by sayhey24

I doubt the Austin pin was issued that way -- someone probably made it on their own at home.
It has a cool look to it.

Greg

Agreed looks like someone cut out that image and glued it to the front of a pin.. If you look at the image its creased and is missing paper that wouldnt really happen on a cello button IMO...

Rob I dont think they cut the cello( extremely hard to do) I think they glued it on the front I believe the plastic cello look is coming from the plastic of the coin holder.....

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Rob I dont think they cut the cello( extremely hard to do) I think they glued it on the front I believe the plastic cello look is coming from the plastic of the coin holder.....

But doesn’t the brown part look to be on top of the image, especially at about one o’clock?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

But doesn’t the brown part look to be on top of the image, especially at about one o’clock?

Actually it does... But in any event its home made isnt really worth spit.... IMHO

[AstroJake09]

Hoping someone can help with this...

I posted about it a while ago in a dedicated thread but didn't get many opinions and hadn't aquired the pin just yet. This is a pinback that celebrates the 1937 University of Colorado football team that played in the 2nd annual Cotton Bowl on New Year's Day, 1938.

I am certain that the pin is authentic based on the manufacturer, Colorado Badge and Novelty Co., as well as the fact that Colorado was not even victorious in the Cotton Bowl, losing to the Rice Owls by a score of 28-14. However, I am curious as to how scarce early bowl pins would be? There were only five bowl games that teams could participate in during the 1937-38 college football season and playing in one and accepting an invitation was a great accomplishment for any school of the day.

In regards to the actual pin, I have seen only one other similar pin, commemorating CU Band Day in 1940. This was also produced by the Colorado Badge and Novelty Co.

My goal is to collect a pin from every bowl game CU has played in up to the present day (2016 Alamo Bowl.) I figure the '38 Cotton Bowl would be the toughest to find with the second toughest being the 1957 Orange Bowl.

Any and all information or opinions on this pin welcome! Thank you!

[ooo-ribay]

Great pin, Jake. My semi-educated guess would be it has to be pretty rare. After all, it’s 80+ years old.

My question is, what does SUTAK mean????

[MK]

The final price on this one surprised me a little.

[MK]

Here’s another:

[Chris-Counts]

It seems like every pin I don't have is worth $500. That last Hakes auction was the final straw for me. Seeing all those pins go straight to eBay for even higher prices took away all the fire I had for chasing after them. I'm going back to collecting something that's fun ... like anything else.

I'm curious, though, it seems like there's about 50 PM10 player pins that are really easy to find, and at least 100 others that are completely impossible to find. Why is this? I'm wondering if the common pins were the ones sold at stadiums, mostly in northeastern cities, and the rare ones are salesman's samples that rarely were sold to the public, mostly in the midwestern cities. There are few common pins from midwestern cities.

Originally Posted by MK

Here’s another:

[MK]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

It seems like every pin I don't have is worth $500. That last Hakes auction was the final straw for me. Seeing all those pins go straight to eBay for even higher prices took away all the fire I had for chasing after them. I'm going back to collecting something that's fun ... like anything else.

I'm curious, though, it seems like there's about 50 PM10 player pins that are really easy to find, and at least 100 others that are completely impossible to find. Why is this? I'm wondering if the common pins were the ones sold at stadiums, mostly in northeastern cities, and the rare ones are salesman's samples that rarely were sold to the public, mostly in the midwestern cities. There are few common pins from midwestern cities.

You’re right some pins being very hard to find. For instance, the Cleveland Indian PM10 pins like the Mitchell above are very hard to find. They were definitely sold by vendors in Cleveland as I have a photo showing them on a board outside the stadium. I guess they just didn’t make as many of them.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

You’re right some pins being very hard to find. For instance, the Cleveland Indian PM10 pins like the Mitchell above are very hard to find. They were definitely sold by vendors in Cleveland as I have a photo showing them on a board outside the stadium. I guess they just didn’t make as many of them.

The only 1.75" SF Giants pin I cannot find is Billy Pierce. I think I've seen it once on ebay. Sure, the vendors sold more Mays, McCovey, Marichal, etc. but you would think at 50 cents per pin, a lot of kids would have pestered their parents to complete the whole set.

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The only 1.75" SF Giants pin I cannot find is Billy Pierce. I think I've seen it once on ebay. Sure, the vendors sold more Mays, McCovey, Marichal, etc. but you would think at 50 cents per pin, a lot of kids would have pestered their parents to complete the whole set.

You can say the same thing about several player pins including these two. If it wasn’t short supply, why do you think they are impossible to find today?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

It seems like every pin I don't have is worth $500. That last Hakes auction was the final straw for me. Seeing all those pins go straight to eBay for even higher prices took away all the fire I had for chasing after them. I'm going back to collecting something that's fun ... like anything else.

I'm not sure I agree with the "business model" of the guy who scooped so many pins in the last Hake's auction. If someone (like me) bid a pin up to $250, what makes the winner think I will now pay double that? I'm pretty sure he has a lot of inventory left of his winnings...

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I'm not sure I agree with the "business model" of the guy who scooped so many pins in the last Hake's auction. If someone (like me) bid a pin up to $250, what makes the winner think I will now pay double that? I'm pretty sure he has a lot of inventory left of his winnings...

He’s done this with every single auction of Paul’s collection. Maybe he’s content with having them in his collection but would sell if someone is willing to really pay up.

[Chris-Counts]

I'm just glad I haven't run into someone like him in other realms of baseball collectibles, where I can still fund stuff at reasonable prices (cards, programs, caps, signed balls, etc.). I might have busted my piggy bank for a couple pins in the last Hake's auction, but there's no way I'll pay what he's asking now. So his business model just chased away one of his customers.

[Chris-Counts]

I believe they are scarce due to short supply, but I doubt the rare ones were sold at stadiums. If they were, why are all the rare ones I see in great shape, and you can find rusty common pins all day? Again, I suspect they were salesman samples. For the same reason, you can find McAuliffe and KM Pro caps from the 50s through the mid-70s for just about every team — often in great shape — but many teams didn't wear them. My guess is that some east coast company produced the common pins, and never got too far in expanding into the "western" MLB cities of the 1950s, like Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Louis. Those cities are heavily represented among the rare pins.

I have no idea who made pins in the 1950s, but a couple of mine have a very small logo that identically matches ones that are on the common stadium pennants from the same era.

In various baseball card sets, the sudden presence of sharp-corned rare cards generally heralds a discovery of some kind. I would not be surprised if some hordes of rare pins appear in the future, like the rare Dormand post cards of Gil Hodges did a few years ago — or those beautiful but cheap Carl Hubbell pins you see all over eBay.

Originally Posted by MK

You can say the same thing about several player pins including these two. If it wasn’t short supply, why do you think they are impossible to find today?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

I have no idea who made pins in the 1950s, but a couple of mine have a very small logo that identically matches ones that are on the common stadium pennants from the same era.

The logo under the "ts" in Giants?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by MK

He’s done this with every single auction of Paul’s collection. Maybe he’s content with having them in his collection but would sell if someone is willing to really pay up.

Mike,
His business model has always been to try and double his money.BUT with the 20% premium and his very high prices on his relisted pins he will be sitting with them for a very long time... I was under bidder on 4-5 of those pins he has now. I will not bring myself to pay those prices on them that he put on them.. I won 3 items last time around and I cant believe he will be that stupid to do it again this time.... As we know pin collectors are a small group and dont have unlimited funds.... He also drives up every single pin that comes up on ebay.....Time to send the message that we wont buy your pins at that level... Good luck with sales!

[Chris-Counts]

Yes Rob, that's the logo.

[MK]

That logo is for Sportservice Corporation a concession business.

[MK]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Mike,
His business model has always been to try and double his money.BUT with the 20% premium and his very high prices on his relisted pins he will be sitting with them for a very long time... I was under bidder on 4-5 of those pins he has now. I will not bring myself to pay those prices on them that he put on them.. I won 3 items last time around and I cant believe he will be that stupid to do it again this time.... As we know pin collectors are a small group and dont have unlimited funds.... He also drives up every single pin that comes up on ebay.....Time to send the message that we wont buy your pins at that level... Good luck with sales!

Al,
I thought the idea was to buy low and sell high. Buying high and selling very high doesn’t sound very profitable. I was also outbid on several pins and have no desire to go even higher now.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by MK

Al,
I thought the idea was to buy low and sell high. Buying high and selling very high doesn’t sound very profitable. I was also outbid on several pins and have no desire to go even higher now.

Mike that is the general idea but in his case his business model has always been to double up... it will be very unlikely it will happen with these pins that he bought. He has now tied up alot of funds on these pins and will be sitting on them for a long time. My feeling on some of them he will be taking a loss at some point because prices are way to high. He has to start to understand there is a point when you have to stop pushing the button on auctions... with a 20 % mark up and way to high prices you need to change your business model. But hay what do I know Im just a retired multiple business owner who had alot of success !

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Mike that is the general idea but in his case his business model has always been to double up... it will be very unlikely it will happen with these pins that he bought. He has now tied up alot of funds on these pins and will be sitting on them for a long time. My feeling on some of them he will be taking a loss at some point because prices are way to high. He has to start to understand there is a point when you have to stop pushing the button on auctions... with a 20 % mark up and way to high prices you need to change your business model. But hay what do I know Im just a retired multiple business owner who had alot of success !

I believe he has a Marichal Pm-10 (Hake’s win) up for $195.....while other sellers have it for $39.95.

[ooo-ribay]

OMG! Someone paid $331 for the very, very, very common Carl Hubbell PM-10.

[andypcl]

Hi Rob,

You and I had the same exact reaction about the same exact pin. Amazing. There are 8 on ebay right now all between $17 and $40.
Did you go after Ruben Gomez?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by andypcl

Hi Rob,

You and I had the same exact reaction about the same exact pin. Amazing. There are 8 on ebay right now all between $17 and $40.
Did you go after Ruben Gomez?

Hi Andy,
Since we are talking pins someone won this Jackie pin that sells on the bay for 80-150 all the time, with the buyers premium sold for $864.00! Some prices I just cant understand!

[andypcl]

Yes! That Jackie and the Hubbell are the 2 that really stood out. There are a bunch of others in the same category but I won't drone on. Makes me want to get in line after Paul's collection but it may be a long time and I'm not ready to sell anyway. Just FYI, I'll direct message you my new contact info (a few life changes to say the least). Hope you've been well...
-Andy

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by andypcl

Yes! That Jackie and the Hubbell are the 2 that really stood out. There are a bunch of others in the same category but I won't drone on. Makes me want to get in line after Paul's collection but it may be a long time and I'm not ready to sell anyway. Just FYI, I'll direct message you my new contact info (a few life changes to say the least). Hope you've been well...
-Andy

You got it Andy! I hope the changes were good changes my friend! Al

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by andypcl

Hi Rob,

You and I had the same exact reaction about the same exact pin. Amazing. There are 8 on ebay right now all between $17 and $40.
Did you go after Ruben Gomez?

I kind of went after the Gomez, but not hard. I was hoping the usual guy would win it and the Antonelli at decent prices so that when he doubled the prices on ebay I would still be willing to pay.

[andypcl]

Hello,

I Just wanted to post a heads-up that at noon (pacific time) today, I'll be posting a group of Minor League pinbacks over on the BST. There's a few better ones and a few more common. Thanks!

-Andy

[rschisler]

Hi guys, not a pin guy but I buy up all star buttons and pins if I see them for an affordable price to go with my all star programs and pennants. I came across these two lately and I was wondering if anyone knew of a date on these? I've seen similar pins for the Washington one dated for 1937 and something similar to the other one that was dated 1946 but no concrete evidence either way. Also, not knowing much about vintage pins, would pins like this have been reproduced at all? I was a little leery of the second pin because of the smeared ink on it, but figured I would take a chance on it. Didn't know if there should be things to look out for there?

Final question, I understand that Paul Muchinsky's book is the go to resource for these. I saw the post a couple of years ago on here about emailing his website to get one. Is that still the best way? If anyone has one they would be willing to let go, I may be interested. Don't see myself becoming a big player in the market, but I like having those kinds of resources.

Thanks for your time.

[MK]

I’ve always believed the first one to be 1956. But it could be 1962. The second one is difficult to determine and could have been issued over several years until the supply was depleted. Just guesses, no proof.

[icollectDCsports]

For quite a while, the first one was assumed by many collectors to be from 1956, but pretty sure forum member Hank Thomas was able to date it to 1937. As for the Muchinsky book, the author has passed and I don't know if the site is still operational for sales. It's a fantastic resource with so many great photos but I think the valuations listed in the back are higher than many actually sell for today.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by rschisler

Hi guys, not a pin guy but I buy up all star buttons and pins if I see them for an affordable price to go with my all star programs and pennants. I came across these two lately and I was wondering if anyone knew of a date on these? I've seen similar pins for the Washington one dated for 1937 and something similar to the other one that was dated 1946 but no concrete evidence either way. Also, not knowing much about vintage pins, would pins like this have been reproduced at all? I was a little leery of the second pin because of the smeared ink on it, but figured I would take a chance on it. Didn't know if there should be things to look out for there?

For years, it was assumed by Washington and other collectors that your D.C. All-Star Game pin was from the 1956 or 1962 games, both by the look of it and the fact that nobody knew about any others issued for those games. But about 20 years ago, I came across a picture of this Boy Scout Jamboree pin and knew instantly that the D.C. pin was also from 1937. There is another version that omits the D.C. location that I believe was made to accompany the attached ribbon, pictured below along with a different pin from that game that was also intended to have the ribbon attached. Does anyone know of another all-star game pin that comes with a similar ribbon? There is a very rare 1962 D.C. All-Star Game pin, pictured in the group of D.C. pins below, but none for the 1956 game that I know of.

[MK]

Hank,
That is very good evidence that the pin is from 1937. Seems hard to believe there were 3 different pins made for that one game, but maybe so.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by MK

Hank,
That is very good evidence that the pin is from 1937. Seems hard to believe there were 3 different pins made for that one game, but maybe so.

There actually were four, including the one in the large group to the left of center with a plastic batter hanging down. Another strange pin fact connected with that game is that the media pin is so incredibly rare, with only a couple examples known to me over the years. In Washington, with all its press, and FDR attending, you'd think there would have been tons of media there, so how can only a handful have survived? Likewise with the 1962 pin, which I think I've seen exactly one in all these years collecting and dealing in Washington stuff--how can something like that get produced and sold and none of them have surfaced? Maybe it's a prototype that never got made in quantity. Who knows? But these kinds of mysteries sure can make collecting more interesting.

[rschisler]

Thanks for the information guys, and especially to Hank with your expertise on the Washington pin. That helps a great deal and excited it’s from the earlier game!

[ValKehl]

Hank, could the scarcity of 1962 AS Game press pins possibly be attributed to most members of the press preferring a tie bar to a pin? (Shameless plug - I have the tie bar pictured below currently for sale on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/35318823566...84.m1555.l2649)

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Hank, could the scarcity of 1962 AS Game press pins possibly be attributed to most members of the press preferring a tie bar to a pin? (Shameless plug - I have the tie bar pictured below currently for sale on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/35318823566...84.m1555.l2649)

It's the 1937 All-Star press pin that is so very rare, Val, as well as the 1962 All-Star button you can see in my group of Washington pins. As for the relative availability of press pins in general, I would guess that the tie bars are a little harder to find than the pins themselves. I've always liked the tie bars myself because they really make the pin part stand out and there is more to them, but in terms of collector appeal, they do seem to lag behind the pins to some degree. Good luck with yours!

[bocca001]

Big and bigger... found at a local antique mall, of all places.

[ooo-ribay]

Very happy to pick up these two 1.5" pins in the bottom row. I had the top two....it's interesting that 333 Geary and Powell & Geary are basically right next door to each other. For some reason, I always assumed Milton F. Kreis was an attorney. The name sounded lawyeresque to me. I have since learned that Milton F. Kreis was kind of a drug store/restaurant. Besides SF, they were also in LA, Palm Springs and.........Dayton, Ohio . Bustles and Beaus was an adjacent "retro burlesque" club which was open from 1960 until 1966. I had seen the "Go Furter" pin before but it just recently occurred to me that this is fractured German for "Go Further with (new Giants manager Herman) Franks." I guess we can assume Millton Kreis was German.

[andypcl]

Hey Rob, nice pickups. Here's my three...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by andypcl

Hey Rob, nice pickups. Here's my three...

I have the identical Montclair and also a Vanessi's in black on orange.

Since I now have a Kreis pin from 1958, 1963 and 1965 do you know if there are pins of the "missing" years?

[andypcl]

Not that I have seen. There's another "welcome" pin that just says Carpet and Floor Styles - 1899 Mission. That's the only other one that I know of.