M101-2 Photographer(s)?

[obcbeatle]

Anyone know who the photographer(s) was for the M101-2's? I'm striking out with Google so far. Thank you.

[TCMA]

Likely not one single photographer. More likely they culled images from their archive that could have come from any number of photo services.


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[obcbeatle]

Thanks for the reply. Thought some of the photo's might be by Van Oeyen or someone like that.

[TCMA]

Cobb/Wagner is definitely a Van Oeyen. Possible others are too. I’ll see what info I can dig up.


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[prewarsports]

I think most are documented to Van Oeyen or can be attributed to his work. I have handled 5-10 and seen maybe another 5-10 with his attribution. Stylistically they are VERY similar and his work from the time period is somewhat distinct when you have handled a lot of his work. Honestly, he is my favorite pre-war photographer. His work is beautiful for the time period and he pre-dates much of Conlon's work. The only reason he is not more famous is because he jumped around between newspapers and freelancing before taking a staff job at NEA/Acme after WWI and at that time much of his artistic feel was lost in the name of taking quick shots necessary for newspaper day to day publications at the same time Conlon turned himself into the "Wal Mart" of baseball photography and won all the contracts with magazines and got his name out there more. Van Oeyen was a better photographer (my opinion) Conlon was a better businessman.

Rhys

[TCMA]

Thanks for the info, Rhys. I've handled a few Van Oeyens (and I have a few) but not nearly as many as Conlon and Paul Thompson - Grover Cleveland Alexander is a definitely PT shot:

[obcbeatle]

Thanks for the replies. Good to know about Van Oeyen. I'd never heard anyone mention Conlon when discussing TSN supplements. So I wondered who else might have taken some of those photo's back then. I see Van Dyck in the left hand corner of some of them. I think that was a studio. Anyway ... I agree many of the M101-2's are beautiful. They are a bit hard to store though (large and very delicate). Rhys ... some pretty amazing photo's in your auction. Wow!

[Leon]

Nice thead, guys. My only addition to the comments is one I own with a Cobby on back. The great majority are blank backed.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

Nice thead, guys. My only addition to the comments is one I own with a Cobby on back. The great majority are blank backed.

that's cool...never seen that.

[nolemmings]

Doc White and Zach Wheat are attributed to Francis P. Burke, who is also responsible for several photos used in m101-4/5.

[prewarsports]

Judging from some of the responses here, I think we might be heading down a path where many of the American League photos are Van Oeyen since Cleveland was an AL city and Van Oeyen would have had the opportunity to catch many of these guys at the ballparks and the NL guys would have had other photographers like Conlon, Burke etc. It would make an interesting study for sure, at least to the handful of us who geek out on this type of stuff!

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Leon

Nice thead, guys. My only addition to the comments is one I own with a Cobby on back. The great majority are blank backed.

Thats really cool and have never seen that. When will we see this in the BST?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Thats really cool and have never seen that. When will we see this in the BST?

When my second collection will be sold. Hopefully many, many years.

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[obcbeatle]

I'm resurrecting this thread as I just noticed this M101-2 is attributed to Underwood. My understanding is Underwood was a huge photo publishing company that either employed many photographers, or purchased the rights to other photographers photos? I also noticed a couple weird things in this photo. First, it's a 1909 supplement, so it looks like it was intended to be put inside a TSN issue July 22, 1909. However it's a photo of the NY Giants of October 17, 1912, so I assume that the photo was actually inserted in 1912? And, I notice that Marquard in the team photo looks odd, like he was added later from a separate photo? Perhaps he was AWOL from the original team photo, so he was added later? I had never noticed that before. Love the M101-2's!

[obcbeatle]

Sorry, forgot the photo's.

[obcbeatle]

Arrrg, I just realized that when I photo'd the NY Giants photo I inadvertently photo'd another M101-2 behind it. So never mind the 1909 vs 1912 question, duh That's what I get for photo'ing stuff a week before I can actually post it (my M-101 wasn't in hand).