Let's see some postcards

[Bicem]

There's a wealth of information there. I bet with a loupe we can determine the exact timing of the shot.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by Greenmonster

Hi Bryan...no better than this:

Are the numbers on the left of the scoreboard the lineup? If so, check the numbers vs. the known numbers assigned to the players, then you will know who the pitcher is. Probably in the number 9 spot.

[edjs]

Here's one I never thought I would be posting, since I am not really a fan of football (soccer), but still cool none the less. I think this is either 1906 or 1907, based on when the players were on Sunderland. Some of the players I could not find anything on. Those I know are Tommy Tait, Billy Hogg, Angus McIntosh, Jimmy Gemmell, James Watson, English McConnell, and Arthur Bridgett. Anyone know the others?

[Greenmonster]

Originally Posted by Bicem

There's a wealth of information there. I bet with a loupe we can determine the exact timing of the shot.

Hi Jeff....I spent about an hour looking through a magnifying glass but couldn't come up with the teams to check against their 1913 schedules. I started to use some profane language.

[GregZakwin]

Thanks Leon....

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by Greenmonster

Hi Bryan...no better than this:

If that’s Matty in the picture, and it really is from August 1913, then I’m pretty sure the picture was taken on Tuesday, August 26, when Matty shut out the Reds 1-0. In the two games on the right side of the scoreboard, “PITTS” is the visiting team in the top game, and “PHILA” is the home team in the bottom game. In August 1913, the Giants played at home from the 14th through the 27th, with Matty pitching three of those games, on the 16th, the 21st, and the 26th. But the game on the 16th was against Pittsburgh, so that can’t be this game, assuming that the scoreboard listed the present game first in the upper left, as was/is standard practice at ballparks. On August 21, Matty best the Cubs at home, but Pittsbugh played at Philadelphia, so the scoreboard doesn’t fit. On August 26, however, Pittsbugh played at Boston and St. Louis played at Philadelphia, which fits the scoreboard in the picture.

We can also tell that it’s the top of the first with two outs, and the pitcher appears to be looking at a runner on first. The Reds did not score in the top of the first in that August 26 game, but Retrosheet doesn’t have play by play info, just the box score. If there is a runner on first, then the (unseen) batter would be Armando Marsans.

[WillowGrove]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

If that’s Matty in the picture, and it really is from August 1913, then I’m pretty sure the picture was taken on Tuesday, August 26, when Matty shut out the Reds 1-0. In the two games on the right side of the scoreboard, “PITTS” is the visiting team in the top game, and “PHILA” is the home team in the bottom game. In August 1913, the Giants played at home from the 14th through the 27th, with Matty pitching three of those games, on the 16th, the 21st, and the 26th. But the game on the 16th was against Pittsburgh, so that can’t be this game, assuming that the scoreboard listed the present game first in the upper left, as was/is standard practice at ballparks. On August 21, Matty best the Cubs at home, but Pittsbugh played at Philadelphia, so the scoreboard doesn’t fit. On August 26, however, Pittsbugh played at Boston and St. Louis played at Philadelphia, which fits the scoreboard in the picture.

We can also tell that it’s the top of the first with two outs, and the pitcher appears to be looking at a runner on first. The Reds did not score in the top of the first in that August 26 game, but Retrosheet doesn’t have play by play info, just the box score. If there is a runner on first, then the (unseen) batter would be Armando Marsans.

Love this stuff. And to confirm David's scenario of there being 2 outs and a Reds runner on first, that situation happened. I found the play by play (see below). Looks like Groh was on first with two outs.

[h2oya311]

This board never ceases to amaze me!

[sealmark2]

Was wondering if there might be a thread covering post war postcards somewhere I.E Dormand, Ford Tigers, Bill and Bob's and generic club issues etc. ?
Referral would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sealmark

[BeanTown]

Just stumbled into this 2014 episode of the Antique Roadshow. Not sure who the appraiser is, but his estimate value seems very low, even four years ago! Maybe they were trying to buy the cards after the show since the owner bought them for ten bucks from a garage sale.

https://www.tpt.org/antiques-roadsho...postcard-sets/

[Jobu]

1906 RPPC of the Lancaster Red Roses (there is a print version that is more common). I haven't lined up face ids yet, but the team had Cy Barger, Bill Chappelle, Rube Dessau, Patsy Dougherty, Tom Downey, Bull Durham, Ed Lennox, and Chief Meyers.

[Zan]

I'm going for the run of early 30's Tigers postcards and landed this unused one recently. I have also discovered that there are color variations of some, which will lead me on more chases.

[slidekellyslide]

Just picked this up today. It is a printers block for a circa 1907 Columbia Ball Park in Philadelphia Postcard. I don't own the postcard shown in the last pic, I just wanted to show which postcard was made from this block.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by sealmark

Was wondering if there might be a thread covering post war postcards somewhere I.E Dormand, Ford Tigers, Bill and Bob's and generic club issues etc. ?
Referral would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sealmark

Mark, there is a small thread over on the postwar side. I love postwar baseball cards and will probably start posting to this thread soon.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=postcards

[Greenmonster]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

If that’s Matty in the picture, and it really is from August 1913, then I’m pretty sure the picture was taken on Tuesday, August 26, when Matty shut out the Reds 1-0. In the two games on the right side of the scoreboard, “PITTS” is the visiting team in the top game, and “PHILA” is the home team in the bottom game. In August 1913, the Giants played at home from the 14th through the 27th, with Matty pitching three of those games, on the 16th, the 21st, and the 26th. But the game on the 16th was against Pittsburgh, so that can’t be this game, assuming that the scoreboard listed the present game first in the upper left, as was/is standard practice at ballparks. On August 21, Matty best the Cubs at home, but Pittsbugh played at Philadelphia, so the scoreboard doesn’t fit. On August 26, however, Pittsbugh played at Boston and St. Louis played at Philadelphia, which fits the scoreboard in the picture.

We can also tell that it’s the top of the first with two outs, and the pitcher appears to be looking at a runner on first. The Reds did not score in the top of the first in that August 26 game, but Retrosheet doesn’t have play by play info, just the box score. If there is a runner on first, then the (unseen) batter would be Armando Marsans.

David,

Thank you for taking the time to research this photo. Great job! I couldn't make out the teams on the scoreboard, now I can see Pitts, St. Louis and Philly.

[Greenmonster]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

Love this stuff. And to confirm David's scenario of there being 2 outs and a Reds runner on first, that situation happened. I found the play by play (see below). Looks like Groh was on first with two outs.

Peter,

Great find, seems to tie David's research all together. Thank you.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Just stumbled into this 2014 episode of the Antique Roadshow. Not sure who the appraiser is, but his estimate value seems very low, even four years ago! Maybe they were trying to buy the cards after the show since the owner bought them for ten bucks from a garage sale.

https://www.tpt.org/antiques-roadsho...postcard-sets/

definitely a low estimate...but most appear to have holes in them! A more accurate etimate nowadays would be more like 40K or so!

[Greenmonster]

Another postcard requiring some experts to help ID the players. I've identified the ballpark as the old wooden version of League Park and the players also appear to be wearing 1909 Cleveland home uniforms. The action seems to be a rundown between 1st and 2nd with Lajoie probably playing 2nd base. Bob Rhoads pitcher?

[T206Jim]

Jim, here you go on Matty.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=248591

[Greenmonster]

Originally Posted by T206Jim

Jim, here you go on Matty.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=248591

Thanks Jim. Great job on the research!

[MartyFromCANADA]

I love these minor league PC's. Nice pick-up Bryan.

Originally Posted by Jobu

1906 RPPC of the Lancaster Red Roses (there is a print version that is more common). I haven't lined up face ids yet, but the team had Cy Barger, Bill Chappelle, Rube Dessau, Patsy Dougherty, Tom Downey, Bull Durham, Ed Lennox, and Chief Meyers.

[slidekellyslide]

NL President John Tener at Cooperstown. Anyone know what year this was? According to the back he is "Eulogizing the originator of baseball" - Abner Doubleday?

[sealmark2]

Thanks Dan and by the way I will be submitting a group of 500 to 1000 post war postcards in the next Brockelman auction.
Sealmark

[Jobu]

Thanks Marty! I think it is really fun when you can ID the players, but it sure is easy to fall into a Google hole when trying to do it.

Originally Posted by MartyFromCANADA

I love these minor league PC's. Nice pick-up Bryan.

[jimtigers65]

my 1962 Ford Motor Company Detroit Tigers730DC3F6-5709-4C97-8CB6-F85852B6C763.jpg

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by sealmark

Thanks Dan and by the way I will be submitting a group of 500 to 1000 post war postcards in the next Brockelman auction.
Sealmark

I will keep an eye out. Thanks

[WillowGrove]

Originally Posted by Greenmonster

Another postcard requiring some experts to help ID the players. I've identified the ballpark as the old wooden version of League Park and the players also appear to be wearing 1909 Cleveland home uniforms. The action seems to be a rundown between 1st and 2nd with Lajoie probably playing 2nd base. Bob Rhoads pitcher?

Jim - so I took some time to look into this one. I agree that the player (pitcher) in the back is wearing a 1909 (or earlier) Cleveland home uniform. Then I thought to check to see which umpire that is. From there I figured I can find home games where that ump, umped first base.

The ump in that pc looks pretty young. In 1909 Billy Evans was 25. The next youngest ump was Bull Perrine at 32. So maybe it's Evans. He umped either solo (from behind the pitchers mound?) or 1B thirteen times in Cleveland in 1909. Against six different teams. So now let's look at the base runner's uniform.

Checking Dressed to the Nines, I am having a hard time placing the base runner's uniform. I'll spare everyone the details but according to that book, no AL team had white/gray caps with that thin stripe for their road jerseys, except Chicago. But their road jerseys were dark.

So I dunno Jim. I do think the first baseman could be the big right handed George Stovall, the second sacker could be Lajoie and even Rhodes the pitcher, but I am not sure how to take any of this further.

If anyone can confirm the team uniform of the base runner that could only help whittle it down a bit. And that's IF we think it's Billy Evans. (See pic below of him from 1910)

Hope this helps? lol

[Angyale]

have a glove on his hand? If so, why?

Angyale

[slidekellyslide]

Time to resurrect this classic thread.

c1910 Oxford (Nebraska) Indians baseball team

[asphaltman]

Love the postcards. PC's may be the only thing left that haven't been tinkered with by scam artists over the years.

[rickalaska]

This pitcher is right handed – that eliminates Rube Marquard

The scoreboard indicates it is at the start of the game, so this would be a “Starting Pitcher.” There appears to be no score, so this must be the “top” of the inning – Giant pitcher on the mound

Four teams came to town in the month of August 1913 – St. Louis Cardinals, Pittsburg Pirates, Chicago Cubs, and Cincinnati Reds.

Based on the size of the crowd (small), I doubt the opponents were the Pirates or the Cubs, who both had winning records – as did the Giants. That leaves the Cardinals and the Reds.

With the exception of Rube Marquard, all of the Giants pitchers that pitched in these two series were right handed.

The size of the crowd likely indicates the game is not on a weekend. The Cardinals played a double header on Thursday and one on Friday. The Reds played on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday – both teams had a losing record.

Jeff Tesreau (right handed), pitched the second game of a double header on Thursday 14 Aug 1913 – the pitcher looks like him, but a double header would have probably drawn a larger crowd.

The Giants starting pitchers against the Reds (3 game series) were Doc Crandal (right handed), Mathewson (right handed), and Art Fromme (right handed)

Fromme pitched against Mordecai Brown – probably would have been a big crowd

Mathewson would have probably had a big crowd

Doc Crandal pitched against Red Ames – Monday, 25 Aug 1913. My educated guess is that this is Doc Crandal on the mound. I certainly could be wrong, but I believe it looks like him also.

[edjs]

Finally a Dingman. This one was sent by Harl Maggert. Love it. Anyone know who John Edgar was? He had some way of knowing Maggert from the Springfield Ponies. Lifted the image from the auction, I’m feeling too lazy to scan it.

[slidekellyslide]

Just got this in the mail today. c1910 Nebraska Indians RPPC.

[ksfarmboy]

That’s a great pickup Dan! Was this a known version or totally new to you?

[slidekellyslide]

It was known to me. Dave E has one that was postmarked I believe they are in Belleville, Wisconsin in this photo.

[Baseballcrazy62]

Got this back from PSA.1803A16E-EFB4-41AA-9DEC-ADF25A19A884.jpg

[tdawg]

Hey!
Came across this post by accident, but may have an ID on the pitcher... Willie Mitchell...
Check out this photo from recent Robert Edwards auction... Mitchell was a lefty...
https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...llie-mitchell/

[tdawg]

Originally Posted by tdawg

Hey!
Came across this post by accident, but may have an ID on the pitcher... Willie Mitchell...
Check out this photo from recent Robert Edwards auction... Mitchell was a lefty...
https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...llie-mitchell/

This was meant for Jim Schneider (Greenmonster) and his 1909 photo of the Indiams rundown...

[Leon]

Being a little more picky lately. The postcard has to have something really eye catching or interesting....

[h2oya311]

Leon - I saw that one. I think it said it's 8x10 in the listing. Mighty big for a postcard, but extremely cool, and certainly unique, IMO.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Leon - I saw that one. I think it said it's 8x10 in the listing. Mighty big for a postcard, but extremely cool, and certainly unique, IMO.

Postcards can come in Jumbo Size too. I collect Disneyland postcards and there are about 30 different close to the same size as this homemade Bender card.

[Golfcollector]

Just acquired this one recently, finally had a chance to share here. This one is a toughie

[ericm79]

Hi, I'm new here — I found Net54 while digging into the 1970s evolution of the hobby, as I was doing some research (characteristic over-reporting) to inform this piece I did for the Atlantic about the rise of breaking and the unexpected turns the contemporary card world has taken: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-weird/598345/

All of that deep-dive history necessarily had to get cut for space — I had 2,000 words to work with, and a general-interest audience — but I relished getting lost in the scans of old issues of The Trader Speaks and the Card Collectors' Co. newsletter. What a great resource to find that stuff scanned here!

I was part of the "junk wax" demographic bubble, and collected most intensively as a middle schooler (1990-93), drifted away in the mid-90s, and just came back to modern/contemporary sports cards recently. But I've always had the collecting bug/gene, and always been interested in history; I've been an antique postcard collector for 20 years, and have a few thousand cards, including several hundred RPPCs, many of them vernacular images of baseball and other sports from the early 1900s. ... So I'm really excited to find this thread in particular, and wonder if any of you might bring more insight or expertise to bear on cards I haven't been able to ID.

Here's one I picked up recently, for just a few dollars. The building in the background (and non-stadium setting for an in-uniform pic) makes me think these aren't major leaguers, but there's a crispness and polish to the players that made this card stand out to me from the usual bedraggled look of amateur/town/factory teams on RPPCs. Somebody wrote "Tom and ----" above the heads of the two players, though it's pretty faint now. The second name looks like it ends "-try." It's possible it says "Autry," though it looks like there's a dot for an "i" above the name — making it possible also that someone was trying to write "Christy" but scrambled the letters and put an "r" between the "t" and the "y." Anyone, curious if anyone can make anything of it. Thanks in advance!

[ericm79]

Originally Posted by ericm79

HSomebody wrote "Tom and ----" above the heads of the two players, though it's pretty faint now. The second name looks like it ends "-try." It's possible it says "Autry," though it looks like there's a dot for an "i" above the name — making it possible also that someone was trying to write "Christy" but scrambled the letters and put an "r" between the "t" and the "y." Anyone, curious if anyone can make anything of it. Thanks in advance!

Here's a close-up crop of the heads and writing. I tried to submit a higher-res version, but it looks like I bumped up against the size limit for attachments...

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

This is a really awesome thread! I am still working my way through it but wanted to give kudos to you guys. I am beginning to be drawn to collecting a few of these as well. It's the images themselves, the visual appeal, the moment in time that I am finding myself drawn to. Sometimes the lithography of cards of the prewar era just doesn't offer the image that a postcard offers.

I have drifted all over the place during my collecting life---cards (sets then just singles), photos, prewar, postwar...I have even been buying modern cards lately! While I am a fan of particular players/teams, I find I am really liking prewar postcards featuring old major league ballparks and the surrounding buildings/skyline that can be seen nearby. As a card collector, I didn't like team cards, but I like them when it comes to postcards, especially noteworthy teams. One postcard offers a nice picture of multiple HOFers. I am baffled that the collecting of these isn't more widespread than it is.

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[Hankphenom]

I think any team with one or more Hall of Famers is going to do very well. And even for the obscure teams, it's a good bet more than one collector is really into local baseball stuff. Even "generic" teams that haven't been identified are cool looking--and these are somebody's grandparents!

[ksfarmboy]

Dwight Eisenhower, Abilene High School, 1909.

[cracker_jack]

I tried staying out of the postcard market so there goes that. From the writing on the back of the Max Carey PC, it looks like it came from the family of player James Viox, who's applying the tag on Max. Circa 1916.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Chris the Max Carey postcard photo was taken at Whittington Park in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Great cards!

[Jobu]

A couple cool team PCs. I have always really liked the Burke & Atwell image.