T207 The Best Tobacco Set Of All Time

[sb1]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Is it still an axiom that the Lewis without team emblem is more valuable than his emblemed brother? Can't find any recent info on recent sales, if there have been any.

The Lewis No Emblem is undoubtedly the toughest card in the set and I would say the w/Emblem is #2.

[tedzan]

The T207 set is quite interesting in that it introduces many ballplayers unknown in other BB sets of that era. Chet Hoff and "Ham" Hyatt are two such examples.
In Post #12 in this thread, I provide a short story on Hoff.

Hamilton Hyatt (as his card's bio reads) was a pinch-hitting specialist for most of his career with Pittsburgh (1909-1914). With St Louis (1915), and NYY (1918).

And then there was "big" Larry McLean, a 6-foot-5, 230 lbs catcher (the tallest catcher in major league history). He was quite the character, but also was a real
fan favorite playing for Cincinnati (1906-1913). His off-the-field antics, such as getting into bar-room brawls, often got him in trouble with his Management.
In 1921 in a Boston saloon, he had his last brawl, as he was shot by the bartender. He died on his way to the hospital at the age of 39.









TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Bkrum]

I pulled my long moth balled partial T207 set to see what I had. Most were Recruit backs but I had three Broadleaf, one Napoleon, and four with none. How rare or desirable are the various backs?

[frohme]

There are a few posts on the board about the backs, and relative difficulties. Recruits are the most common by far. Napoleon-backed cards consist of the same 150 players as the Recruits, and are much less common. I believe there are several of us (both on and off the board) actively collecting them.

Broadleaf backs are in the tougher class of cards, and have no overlap with the the players found with Recruit/Napoleon backs. In that case, the relative value is based on who is on the front.

Here's one reference about the set, including info on the backs.

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Mike

[ruth_rookie]

Originally Posted by frohme

There are a few posts on the board about the backs, and relative difficulties. Recruits are the most common by far. Napoleon-backed cards consist of the same 150 players as the Recruits, and are much less common. I believe there are several of us (both on and off the board) actively collecting them.

Broadleaf backs are in the tougher class of cards, and have no overlap with the the players found with Recruit/Napoleon backs. In that case, the relative value is based on who is on the front.

Here's one reference about the set, including info on the backs.

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Mike

What an excellent summary of t207. Thanks for sharing. I agree that the artwork on many of the cards is “abysmally ugly”. I have the Wajo and Chief Bender cards and neither one looks anything like them. My Wajo looks like he has red lipstick on. Any idea why so many stars were left out of the set?

[Leon]

We need to get that thread/summary into an archived link....It is certainly noteworthy!!

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

What an excellent summary of t207. Thanks for sharing. I agree that the artwork on many of the cards is “abysmally ugly”. I have the Wajo and Chief Bender cards and neither one looks anything like them. My Wajo looks like he has red lipstick on. Any idea why so many stars were left out of the set?

[tedzan]

Mike

Your.... T207 - "basic backs" and general overview is a great reference....thanks for sharing it with us.


Having completed this set years ago (when it was inexpensive), I have always felt that it was not produced
by American Lithographic (as have the majority of the tobacco sets of that era).

But, I have not been able to back up my contention by discovering what printing firm produced these cards.

What is your thinking as to where these cards were printed ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[frohme]

Originally Posted by Leon

We need to get that thread/summary into an archived link....It is certainly noteworthy!!

I completely agree, Leon ... what's the process?

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Mike

[frohme]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Mike

Your.... T207 - "basic backs" and general overview is a great reference....thanks for sharing it with us.


Having completed this set years ago (when it was inexpensive), I have always felt that it was not produced
by American Lithographic (as have the majority of the tobacco sets of that era).

But, I have not been able to back up my contention by discovering what printing firm produced these cards.

What is your thinking as to where these cards were printed ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Thank you, Ted!

I haven't had much time to devote towards research on the question, so I'll just say that I feel that enough evidence is available from the cards themselves, and with what is known of the shake-ups in the industry imposed by the ATC breakup I think things would have been different or had to change quickly out of necessity. Whether the work was done at ALC, or started and completed at a subsidiary firm or even transitioned to another lithographer in mid-stream we don't know, but finding documentation that sheds more light would be great.

I'm taking a stab at writing the other thread alluded to in the referenced post, suggested as 'Poses, artwork, ...' and will be that, but also an amalgamation of other T207 questions, mysteries, ... including this production one. It will probably be fairly dry and too long for one post, but we'll see.

For what it is worth, I also feel that your ideas about legal issues that kept certain players (or teams) out of various sets predating T207 (the T vs. E-card/Boston issue?) may also rear its ugly head here ... as there are funny distributions of teams across the various 'print runs' as far as that goes for this set. I'll follow up with you on that.

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Mike

[insidethewrapper]

Is there a list of players that have been confirmed to have
Anonymous Factory 3 backs ??

[frohme]

They're all (except for the 4 other cards) in this lot, I believe... and I believe they are all Factory 3.

The other 4 are some of the big cards, - I. Lewis (both), Lowdermilk, W. Miller and Weaver are not listed (were sold individually). I believe this is the list of 99 known cards with the Anon Factory 3 back (100 if you include Lewis no-emblem). 50 Broadleaf, 49 Recruit (so far).

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

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Mike

[Bridwell]

I concur with Mike's comments, and I'm the owner of that HA lot. I've had a few of them graded by PSA since I bought them.