Need Grading Opinion On 1933 Goudey Ruth

[btcarfagno]

This card is beautiful, but I am unsure what kind of effect the one flaw might have on the technical grade it would receive.

If you look between Babe's shoulder and name at the top, you will see what looks like a faint smudge. In hand, that is what it appears to be. I cannot tell if it was a printing issue or happened later. It looks like a light smudge of some sort in that area. As such, I have no idea what kind of affect that might have on the grade it would receive.

So I was hoping to open this up to the experts here to see if I might be able to get some opinions.

What grade do you think this would receive from PSA if submitted today?

[Johnny630]

What holder was it in previously?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

This card is beautiful, but I am unsure what kind of effect the one flaw might have on the technical grade it would receive.

If you look between Babe's shoulder and name at the top, you will see what looks like a faint smudge. In hand, that is what it appears to be. I cannot tell if it was a printing issue or happened later. It looks like a light smudge of some sort in that area. As such, I have no idea what kind of affect that might have on the grade it would receive.

So I was hoping to open this up to the experts here to see if I might be able to get some opinions.

What grade do you think this would receive from PSA if submitted today?

No opinion on what it would grade, but to me it looks like there might have been writing that was erased. You see a lot of Goudey cards with erased writing, usually numbers, on the front. This one appears that way too, but just more skillfully removed. At an angle do you see any depression in the paper?

Real nice looking card, by the way.

Brian

[btcarfagno]

This is from the same collection as the T206 cards I have been selling. Long time raw collection of a man who did flea market sales in the 1970's into the early 1980's. Never been in a holder.

It does not appear to have been erased writing. It is almost like some sort of finger print smudge. But smaller.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

This is from the same collection as the T206 cards I have been selling. Long time raw collection of a man who did flea market sales in the 1970's into the early 1980's. Never been in a holder.

It does not appear to have been erased writing. It is almost like some sort of finger print smudge. But smaller.

Love Virgin Cards So Cool that this beauty has never been in the tomb of unknown. Keep and enjoy raw 😊

[glchen]

4.5. I'm going to guess this was due to a small round sticker on the card, and what we are seeing was an indent due to a fingernail removing the sticker, and some slight paper loss when the sticker was removed.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by glchen

4.5. I'm going to guess this was due to a small round sticker on the card, and what we are seeing was an indent due to a fingernail removing the sticker, and some slight paper loss when the sticker was removed.

That would make a lot of sense given the nature of where it came from. What do you think it would grade without that issue? In other words, what kind of hit did the card take as a result of it?

[swarmee]

I would expect a 4.5 to 5.5 if I submitted it. If the grader thinks there is paper loss, it could be worse. I have a PSA 4 Mantle with a black smudge in the corner that was not given a qualifier.
Because of the front centering and the "notch" on the top border on the back, maybe a straight 6 would be the highest without the surface flaw you're talking about.

[glchen]

Is that a small crease on the right edge near the top? If that's not a crease, I think the card would have gotten a 6 without the surface issues.

[btcarfagno]

No that is not a crease.

Hopefully if it does grade somewhere in the 4 or 4.5 neighborhood it will sell for more because of the eye appeal. Maybe?

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

No opinion on what it would grade, but to me it looks like there might have been writing that was erased. You see a lot of Goudey cards with erased writing, usually numbers, on the front. This one appears that way too, but just more skillfully removed. At an angle do you see any depression in the paper?

Real nice looking card, by the way.

Brian

Great looking Ruth, I really hope it's not but m/b writing though

[brianp-beme]

That is what I thought I was seeing. I have seen many Goudey cards with circled numbers, and your close-ups certainly make it seem that there were numbers there.

Brian

[sb1]

I think the area was moistened and rubbed a bit while damp, possibly to remove pencil or some other foreign material.

[RedsFan1941]

if the grader catches the imperfections people in this thread have pointed out, a PSA 2. otherwise, who knows?

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by sb1

I think the area was moistened and rubbed a bit while damp, possibly to remove pencil or some other foreign material.

Someone sneezed on the card, Doubt it was the Cheetos guy.
Great looking card and one I would love to have.
I was also looking at the area @ the left shoulder. Staining or something??

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Someone sneezed on the card, Doubt it was the Cheetos guy.
Great looking card and one I would love to have.
I was also looking at the area @ the left shoulder. Staining or something??

Maybe that is the other hand (thumb?) holding the card in place while the blemish in question was being removed.

[hcv123]

I think 4.5-5 even with the imperfection

[chalupacollects]

I don't know rest of card isn't bad, corners are good, color is good and stock is bright, maybe a bleed of green on the back could ber a 5-5.5 as is.. IMO

[swarmee]

If the grader at PSA deems it to be an erasure, it could get a 5(MK) or possibly even just AUTHENTIC ALTERED.

[tothrk]

When it comes to graded cards, I prefer SGC so I am by no means an expert in PSA grading guidelines. I also can see anything from Authentic Altered to 5 or 5.5. I would suggest affixing an extremely eye catching sticker on the card saver you submit it in proclaiming its tremendous eye appeal. You may be able to distract them away from the flaw. All kidding aside, that’s a great card. Good luck with it.

[pokerplyr80]

I would guess a 4. Probably wouldn't get a half grade bump with the surface flaw and centering, but it's a nice looking card.

[Bigshot69]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I would guess a 4. Probably wouldn't get a half grade bump with the surface flaw and centering, but it's a nice looking card.

Agree. And probably closer to a 3.5 than 4.5. Nice card.

[glchen]

This card that I submitted to PSA years ago received a 6 even with the surface and edge issues at the bottom right, so you never know.