Ode to Pre-War Football Cardboard

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by clamendo

It's a football field, maybe part of the Big 10 Football game, but I found it included in a collection with the others I have depicted


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Interesting. Have never seen that box back before.

jeff

[jefferyepayne]

While its not in very good shape, this is a very difficult Thorpe postcard to find so I snagged it. Carlisle, PA held a celebration for Thorpe and Tewanima when they returned from the Olympic games and these were distributed to advertise the event. Note that the postmark on the PC is the date of the event which I think it pretty cool!





From the description, it sounds like they had quite an event!

jeff

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

While its not in very good shape, this is a very difficult Thorpe postcard to find so I snagged it. Carlisle, PA held a celebration for Thorpe and Tewanima when they returned from the Olympic games and these were distributed to advertise the event. Note that the postmark on the PC is the date of the event which I think it pretty cool!





From the description, it sounds like they had quite an event!

jeff

Awesome pick up. Jeff. I saw it on eBay, and was watching it. I am a Thorpe fan, so I have always liked that postcard. One of the items at the top of my want list is the postcard also produced to commemorate Thorpe returning to Carlisle after winning the Decathlon and Pentathlon that shows him putting the shot. I have lost out on a couple of auctions for that one in recent years.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Awesome pick up. Jeff. I saw it on eBay, and was watching it. I am a Thorpe fan, so I have always liked that postcard. One of the items at the top of my want list is the postcard also produced for commemorate Thorpe returning to Carlisle after winning the Decathlon and Penthlon that shows his putting the shot. I have lost out on a couple of auctions for that one in recent years.

Thanks Eddie. Good card for the want list! This PC might be more difficult but the one with Thorpe doing the shot put is definitely more popular and a very cool card. Like that one a lot.

jeff

[cmoore330]

I had these out tonight, so I thought I would snap a pic. 1905 Ullman Postcard with artwork by F. Earl Christy. The Tilton is a knockoff from 1908. I'd like to upgrade the Chicago, but it rarely comes up for sale. Someday I might break down and add the Harvard, even those it's a lowly baseball image!

[mmier118]

Originally Posted by cmoore330

I had these out tonight, so I thought I would snap a pic. 1905 Ullman Postcard with artwork by F. Earl Christy. The Tilton is a knockoff from 1908. I'd like to upgrade the Chicago, but it rarely comes up for sale. Someday I might break down and add the Harvard, even those it's a lowly baseball image!

Those are great! Football items from that decade seem few and far between.

[DBesse27]

My first prewar football. I love the T51 Murad set, so I decided to collect the football cards. There are 6 football cards, but the Michigan and North Dakota cards are boring to me and don't look like football cards, so I'm skipping those and collecting the other 4. Got the first 2 in hand:

[Il Padrino]

Of all the football items I own and have owned - this is my all-time favorite.

[Il Padrino]

Here are some of my Pre-War items:

1890's Harvard Football Card Mehlin Piano Advert.



1902 Litho Calendar Card for November 1902



1905 Harvard Postcard



1905 Tip Top Weekly Ad Postcard



1905 Ullman Postcard (Cornell)

[Il Padrino]

1906 Illinois Postcard



1910 "Near the Line" Postcard



1910 "A Quick Play" Postcard

[Il Padrino]

1909 Gold Border Scenes / group of 4 Postcards - almost looks like a scrum in rugby but who knows with the early stuff...

[Il Padrino]

1890's / turn of the century - small (close to CDV sized) cabinet photo of 2 players of the Empire AC Football team (pro/semipro team of NY) - Great batwing noseguard and melon football shown.

[Il Padrino]

1889 N165 Old Judge Football - one of the first football cards



1894 Mayo Cut Plug (N302) A.M. Beale



1925 Ya-Lo Board Game (Offense and Defense)



1915 Hinds Cream Stamp

[Il Padrino]

1909 Canton Ohio Football Player



1910 RPPC (Ralph Olmsted) South Dakota

[cmoore330]

Nice stuff, Dan! I've seen a few of those before...

[jefferyepayne]

Nice pickups, Dan! I really like that Canton player. Have you been able to find any information on him?

jeff

[Il Padrino]

Originally Posted by cmoore330

Nice stuff, Dan! I've seen a few of those before...

I wonder why... what's it been 4 or 5 years now? I was on a war path back then and buying everything I could get my hands on.

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Nice pickups, Dan! I really like that Canton player. Have you been able to find any information on him?

jeff

No not yet - I'm going to dig it out this evening and take a closer look and check in to it further.

[jefferyepayne]

Posted this in the BST Auctions Winnings thread too. This is a big one!



jeff

[cfhofer]

Hey guys,

Just posted on my website one of our favorite pieces...an 1891 Yale Football reunion banquet program signed by the team and several key guests...to include Walter Camp! Take a look when time permits.

Cheers.

Mark

https://www.frankhinkey.com/The-Vault.php

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by cfhofer

Hey guys,

Just posted on my website one of our favorite pieces...an 1891 Yale Football reunion banquet program signed by the team and several key guests...to include Walter Camp! Take a look when time permits.

Cheers.

Mark

https://www.frankhinkey.com/The-Vault.php

Niiiiice pickup, Mark. I really like that banquet program. What a truly historic piece.

jeff

[cfhofer]

Thanks Jeff. Means a lot coming from you.

[jefferyepayne]

Picked up this killer RPPC of Jim Thorpe kicking in a game circa 1912. So hard to track down Thorpe game action images!



jeff

[cfhofer]

Jeff,

I'm not seeing your pic. Sounds awesome!

Mark

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by cfhofer

Jeff,

I'm not seeing your pic. Sounds awesome!

Mark

Hmmmm. How about now?

jeff

[cfhofer]

Oh yea. Awesome piece!! Congrats Jeff.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by cfhofer

Oh yea. Awesome piece!! Congrats Jeff.

Thanks Mark! I appreciate it.

jeff

[jefferyepayne]

Oldest card of George Halas I've ever seen! This 1915 RPPC shows Potsy Clark and George Halas while at Illinois.



They both broke their jaws that season and the press called them the "Order of the Broken Jaw". Note the head harnesses they are wearing. How would you like to play football with that on?

Numerous articles were written about it and some showed a cropped version of this image.

jeff

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

That is an awesome photo, Jeff!

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[TanksAndSpartans]

Jeff, very nice! I can imagine if there was TV coverage of the '32 championship, they'd definitely play up a photo of the two coaches shaking hands back in college.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by TanksAndSpartans

Jeff, very nice! I can imagine if there was TV coverage of the '32 championship, they'd definitely play up a photo of the two coaches shaking hands back in college.

I thought you might come up with that angle being a Spartans fan and all.

The person who listed this item didn't mention Clark in the description. I get he's not George Halas but was pleasantly surprised when I dug into this to find out it was Potsy that Halas was shaking hands with. I had heard Halas broke his jaw (and I think later his leg) while playing at Illinois but didn't know the backstory between these two that season.

jeff

[TanksAndSpartans]

That's a nice bonus when the "other guy" turns out to have coached a team to an NFL title.

Even though I have a copy of a book, really a pamphlet about football, by Potsy from the 30s, I never specifically researched him. The only reason I wasn't surprised to see him at Illinois was because in Red Grange's bio, he actually says "On the football field I tried my darnedest to be like my two special heroes, All Americans Bart Macomber and Potsy Clark of Illinois."

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by TanksAndSpartans

That's a nice bonus when the "other guy" turns out to have coached a team to an NFL title.

Even though I have a copy of a book, really a pamphlet about football, by Potsy from the 30s, I never specifically researched him. The only reason I wasn't surprised to see him at Illinois was because in Red Grange's bio, he actually says "On the football field I tried my darnedest to be like my two special heroes, All Americans Bart Macomber and Potsy Clark of Illinois."

Here's a great photo of Grange with one of his idols before an exhibition game in early 1926.



From the left: George "Wildcat" Wilson, Pop Warner, Red Grange
The gentleman on the far right wearing a sweater is Bart Macomber

jeff

[revmoran]

That inked in arrow is something my grandmother liked to do in photos of my father -

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by revmoran

That inked in arrow is something my grandmother liked to do in photos of my father -

Drives me nuts what people do that!

jeff

[jefferyepayne]

Haven't posted anything in this thread for a while so thought I'd update it with a few new additions. Went to the Chantilly CSA show last weekend and picked up some nice Diamond Matchbook covers. IMHO pre-war matchbooks are underrated as there are many HOFers / Stars that have matchbooks but no other cardboard image. It's a great way to fill in the holes in collection if you are trying to get images of pre-war players.

Ox Emerson should be in the HOF


A few stars that are also in the Chicle set!








jeff

[jefferyepayne]

These PC's don't show Thorpe in his football uniform but in his NY Giants uniform in 1913 instead.

Thorpe marching with team before 10/24/1913 game in Blue Rapids, KS


Thorpe batting later in the day. He went 2-5 with a run scored.


jeff

[Anish]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Was fortunate to pick up this card recently. Spalding's come in Bio backs, Ad backs, and blank backs. I've never seen an Ad Back of Friedman before. Has anyone else?





jeff

Lots of amazing items in this thread, especially this one!

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Anish

Lots of amazing items in this thread, especially this one!

Thanks Anish! I gotta dig through my recent pickups and update this thread as there's lots of stuff still to post.

jeff

[clamendo]

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[revmoran]

I see another one of these is coming up in Heritage - I don't remember what I paid for this one, but I think it was less than the opening bid for Heritage - for the very first (or the second depending how you consider the 1932 Spartans Bears game) NFL Championship game.

[jefferyepayne]

Great pickups, Carl and Mike! Love those items.

I was able to snag these 19th century Yale photos recently.

1880 National Champs - Yale University (with Walter Camp)


1881 Yale Baseball (with Walter Camp)


jeff

[clamendo]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Great pickups, Carl and Mike! Love those items.

I was able to snag these 19th century Yale photos recently.

1880 National Champs - Yale University (with Walter Camp)


1881 Yale Baseball (with Walter Camp)


jeff

I saw those. They are fantastic pieces. Congrats !

[jefferyepayne]

Images of Fritz Pollard are hard to find. He was the first African-American to be named an All-American Halfback by Walter Camp. One of two AA players who played during the first season of the NFL. First AA coach in NFL history. HOFer.



This is a team photo of the 1915 Brown University team he was on.

jeff

[FourStrikes]

here's a few:

[FourStrikes]

featuring Blondy Wallace:

[Anish]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Great pickups, Carl and Mike! Love those items.

I was able to snag these 19th century Yale photos recently.

1880 National Champs - Yale University (with Walter Camp)


1881 Yale Baseball (with Walter Camp)


jeff

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Images of Fritz Pollard are hard to find. He was the first African-American to be named an All-American Halfback by Walter Camp. One of two AA players who played during the first season of the NFL. First AA coach in NFL history. HOFer.



This is a team photo of the 1915 Brown University team he was on.

jeff

Those are amazing

[cfhofer]

Hey Guys,

Great photos Jeff. That is a fantastic yearbook. Along those lines I recently picked up this pretty cool album. This is a Pach Bros photo album of a Yale student, who went to school there from 1882-86. The first photo in the album was of his dorm room (see below). I’ve also included a zoomed in portion of the picture to show some of his sports photos on display back in 1886.

What followed next nearly blew my mind. This student trimmed (and thinned) the cardboard on all his sports photos in this picture (along with a dozen others) and slid them into his album. All four years of Yale athletic photos are included, along with the freshman teams for each sport. The slight indentation from the hanging clips are still visible on the photos today. The album contained 60+ 7x9 cabinet photos. Unfortunately the album itself was in awful shape, so I had to remove the photos. For those unfamiliar with these older Pach Bros albums, the cabinet photos slide in/out through slots on the bottom of each page.

For the sake of space and time, I’ve posted just the football photos. The 1882 Yale Championship team is the highlight, featuring Walter Camp. Yale also won the football championship in 1883 and 1884.

Thought some of you may enjoy the pics and the documented provenance of these early football photos.

Cheers

Mark






1882 Yale Championship Football Team.


1883 Yale Championship Football Team


1884 Yale Championship Football Team


1885 Yale Football Team


Class of 1886 Freshman Yale Football Team.

[jefferyepayne]

Beautiful pickups, Mark! Congrats on the find. Those are really spectacular photos.

jeff

[jefferyepayne]

Picked up this small pin recently of Hinkey Haines. Wikipedia says he is the only person to win both a World Series and NFL Championship. He played for the Yankees in 1923 when the won and the NY Football Giants in 1927.

I don't believe Mr. Haines has a football card of any kind from his playing days.



jeff

[jefferyepayne]

Picked up this large image of HOFer Fats Henry recently.



jeff