20 retraction high bidder PWCC

[botn]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Very odd as someone contacted me about not paying on a pwcc auction, do to questionable results. He said the blocked him immediately!

Right. Only those on the inside get that right. Not paying and not being blocked is apparently a privilege you get if you spend almost 60K in 3 months. This person simply needs to spend more money with PWCC.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Interesting auction on there now. With 3 days to go, a Mayweather PSA 10 is over 1900 and has been for at least a couple of days. Another 10 just sold last night for 911. I don't get it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting auction on there now. With 3 days to go, a Mayweather PSA 10 is over 1900 and has been for at least a couple of days. Another 10 just sold last night for 911. I don't get it.

I am pretty sure you get it Peter. We all get it, the problem is most just don't care.

[PiratesWS1979]

At least those two only combine for 6 bid retractions so it's good.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Are there any class action lawyers on the page?

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

I would like to see all PWCC hammers be removed from VCP .... not sure if that is possible/ethical however.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

I would like to see all PWCC hammers be removed from VCP .... not sure if that is possible/ethical however.

If you are so inclined, it's pretty easy just to discount them, so not sure I really see the issue. Like gymnastics, throw out the high score.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you are so inclined, it's pretty easy just to discount them, so not sure I really see the issue. Like gymnastics, throw out the high score.

easy for a buyer, but not for the seller

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

Kevin is right; Ebay doesn't give a crap.


http://live.autographmagazine.com/pr...-shill-bidding

[Jeffrompa]

Will never happen , just wait for the indictments .

[bbcardzman]

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1694803]Kevin is right; Ebay doesn't give a crap.


Everyone knows eBay doesn't give a crap about anything but $$$$, ever hear of BATTLEFIELD0516???

[Buythatcard]

eBay does give a crap.

Here is where they don't give a crap. On more than one occasion I've had non payers. I can't leave them negative feedback but I can give them a strike (does nothing).

Here is where they do give a crap. Since leaving a strike does nothing, I leave them positive feedback in caps saying that the buyer is a Non Payer. I have received 2 warnings from eBay saying that I can't say anything negative in my feedback about the Buyer. They told me it was against their policies and they then removed the comment.

See, I told you that eBay gives a crap.

[RedsFan1941]

even though ebay has tried to reinvent itself as being like amazon (discouraging auctions and encouraging straight sales and seller stores), ebay falls incredibly short when it comes to customer service. the other day i had an issue with not receiving merchandise from an amazon seller and opened a claim online. within 2 hours amazon responded saying my money was being refunded. this isn't the first time amazon has responded quickly to a problem. ebay seems to want to be amazon without doing a large part of the heavy lifting.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

eBay does give a crap.

Here is where they don't give a crap. On more than one occasion I've had non payers. I can't leave them negative feedback but I can give them a strike (does nothing).

Here is where they do give a crap. Since leaving a strike does nothing, I leave them positive feedback in caps saying that the buyer is a Non Payer. I have received 2 warnings from eBay saying that I can't say anything negative in my feedback about the Buyer. They told me it was against their policies and they then removed the comment.

See, I told you that eBay gives a crap.

[Jeffrompa]

I understand your frustration . It frustrates me too .

" The wheels of justice grind slowly , but finely "

[cammb]

I tried complaining to ebay but I couldn't understand a word they were saying.

[Leon]

I am told by a very reliable, inside source that ebay is working diligently on the bid retraction issue on the whole ebay platform. I think we will see something in the next several months. Ebay takes it's time but they know it's a problem. They are working on it.

Originally Posted by cammb

I tried complaining to ebay but I couldn't understand a word they were saying.

[samosa4u]

I am not trying to defend PWCC here. There were times I reported shill bidding to them and they felt that the bids were legit (lol), but these guys are selling like 700 trillion cards every year - how are they supposed to do everything manually? Block him, cancel his bids, block another guy, etc. That would be a crazy amount of work for them. Here is the solution: eBay needs to change their software! In other words, you cannot bid more than three times in any auction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am told by a very reliable, inside source that ebay is working diligently on the bid retraction issue on the whole ebay platform. I think we will see something in the next several months. Ebay takes it's time but they know it's a problem. They are working on it.

What's there to work on? Why is it taking years, we have been hearing about this forever. Institute a progressive suspension program based on too many retractions. Don't allow a retraction at all until the bidder substitutes another number. Case solved.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I am not trying to defend PWCC here. There were times I reported shill bidding to them and they felt that the bids were legit (lol), but these guys are selling like 700 trillion cards every year - how are they supposed to do everything manually? Block him, cancel his bids, block another guy, etc. That would be a crazy amount of work for them. Here is the solution: eBay needs to change their software! In other words, you cannot bid more than three times in any auction.

It's not the number of bids that's the issue. eBay simply needs to start kicking users off the system that retract more than 1 bid.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting auction on there now. With 3 days to go, a Mayweather PSA 10 is over 1900 and has been for at least a couple of days. Another 10 just sold last night for 911. I don't get it.

Now over 2700 with hours to go. 3X what one sold for a couple of days ago. WTF.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

What I want to know as well?

All I ever read/see are lies, but I guess some get fooled by that thinking they'll eventually, when their ready, and feel like it, get around to it, as long as you haven't won any of their auctions and spent X number of dollars, in which case, those rules don't apply to you.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Now over 2700 with hours to go. 3X what one sold for a couple of days ago. WTF.

I am 100% sure everything in that auction is on the up and up, it would be silly to think something shady is going on. They have a very dedicated group of bidders that would happily pay 3X the price it could be bought for normally. I know I personally do it all the time.

[Republicaninmass]

He beat Marciano's record last last, I'm sure that's it

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

He beat Marciano's record last last, I'm sure that's it

That exhibition should not count as a real match. Conor had about as much of a chance winning as a 10 year old girl beating up you or me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

He beat Marciano's record last last, I'm sure that's it

It was already at 1900 on the same day the other 10 sold for 900.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

That exhibition should not count as a real match. Conor had about as much of a chance winning as a 10 year old girl beating up you or me.

It was a joke from day one. An all time great boxer against an amateur. You might as well ask a champion squash player to practice two months then take on Roger Federer. I am sure Mayweather could have stepped it up and ended it any time he felt like it. The hand speed and punching power difference, good Lord what a stupid spectacle.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

I thought it was actually a great fight! 1000% more entertaining than the Pacquiao fight. Conor did much better than expected and didn't disappoint the MMA crowd while taking home 2x more than he made in his entire career. And Mayweather got to give his fans the fight they wanted to see 2 years ago against Pacquiao while beating Marciano's record in the process. Everybody won!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

That exhibition should not count as a real match. Conor had about as much of a chance winning as a 10 year old girl beating up you or me.

Lots of talk. If there was no chance, they why not sell everything and bet it all on Floyd.....easy to say no chance without betting big....

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Lots of talk. If there was no chance, they why not sell everything and bet it all on Floyd.....easy to say no chance without betting big....

Because the opening was 25:1. In layman's terms, that means you'd bet $100 and win $4.

90% of the (number of) bets were on McGregor. 80% of the money was on Mayweather.

That means many guys laid down the $10-$100 bets, just looking for a little action, and likely MMA fans. The big money (on Mayweather) was from the guys who knew what they were doing, and (likely) do it professionally.

Finally, Mayweather admitted he tried to lay a bet on himself, and the casino he entered (undisclosed at the time) refused to take his bet.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Lots of talk. If there was no chance, they why not sell everything and bet it all on Floyd.....easy to say no chance without betting big....

There is always the risk of a fix, or of something equivalent to lightning striking. If the odds are too high the payout just isn't worth any risk. But in sports terms this was a virtual certainty, and a joke really. IMO anyone who gave MacGregor even a realistic chance does not understand the degree of skill involved in boxing at the elite level.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am 100% sure everything in that auction is on the up and up, it would be silly to think something shady is going on. They have a very dedicated group of bidders that would happily pay 3X the price it could be bought for normally. I know I personally do it all the time.

Ended over 3000. Let's see if the underbidder goes for the new BIN on ebay at that price.

[Peter_Spaeth]

52 Mantle bidder, 26 retractions.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

52 Mantle bidder, 26 retractions.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792

He must have slipped through the cracks, Peter?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

He must have slipped through the cracks, Peter?

I suppose, hard to conclude much from one bidder. Awful lot of retractions though.

[Arazi4442]

Not to mention only 12 bids, all with the same seller.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I suppose, hard to conclude much from one bidder. Awful lot of retractions though.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I suppose, hard to conclude much from one bidder. Awful lot of retractions though.

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

Not to mention only 12 bids, all with the same seller.

You guys are over reacting. I am 100% sure everyone of those retractions are of the non malicious type. Also they are just a very dedicated bidder with a high class operation. Really why buy something cheaper someplace else when you can pay way more with them. Hey if you don't believe me just ask Betsy.

The really funny part is if they would not have posted all the cleaning up their auction BS would we even see these threads?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

I was looking at a series of cards today on VCP and the delta between what PWCC cards sell for and all others is becoming so wide that either 1) PWCC has a lot of deep pocketed buyers that only do business with them or 2) They have an army of paid or employee bidders that are systematically bidding up cards

Is there an option 3?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have lots of issues with PWCC (I know, you never would have guessed lol), but I would be shocked if they are actually paying anyone to bid on cards. I would bet a lot against it, in fact. In my opinion the issue is much more likely failure adequately to discipline/prevent consignors bidding up their own, or for friends.

Speaking of all that, I guess the tell-all we were promised by Cortney never materialized.

PS I also think there is some element of guys who bid mostly or even exclusively with them, as irrational as that seems in the days of full buyer protection, generally good customer service across the ebay platform, etc.