1925 Gehrig Rookie Exhibits Card

[Snapolit1]

Nice to see this card stretching its legs a little. With cross overs probably no more than 35 in existence. An important card from one of the greats of all time and scarce. Probably should be worth more than a PSA 8 Topps rookie card of some dude like Robin Yount or Jim Rice, but what the heck do I know.

[pokerplyr80]

I completely agree on the Gehrig. I think you mean to compare to a PSA 10 Yount or Rice though. Those two cards in an 8 are only worth 100-200 bucks.

[Snapolit1]

Ah, yes meant to say 10. But was trying to make a ridiculous point in any event. I could probably buy every Gehrig rookie Exhibit in existence for what some of these 10s pull down.

[Frank A]

Iguess the pop reports on that card are far from right, as PSA shows 1 graded and SGC shows none graded, yet I have 1. Pop reports on this card are worthless.

[Snapolit1]

The last time I checked PSA and SGC had about 20 each, maybe 22. Not sure what you are looking at.

[Donscards]

I recently purchased a SGC 10 on the Exhibit Gehrig Rookie--I am delighted to finally have this card---you don't see them too often---I also feel this card is ready for a big boast! Time will tell---Just happy I have mine.

[Frank A]

Your right Steve. Just went back on PSA and SGC. Psa shows 1 graded 5 and 7 graded with qualifiers. SGC shows 21 graded. I don't know what I did the first time, but it was definately not right. Frank

[Peter_Spaeth]

PSA shows 28 graded as far as I can see.

[midmo]

Originally Posted by Frank A

Your right Steve. Just went back on PSA and SGC. Psa shows 1 graded 5 and 7 graded with qualifiers. SGC shows 21 graded. I don't know what I did the first time, but it was definately not right. Frank

The one that is a 5 is in the + row (which means it's a 5.5)...

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[pokerplyr80]

Whatever the exact population it's a card that rarely comes up. 35k for an SGC 2 certainly shattered previous sale records. But I think it's still a card with upside potential. For a HOF RC collector it's pretty cool to have a Gehrig RC. Especially with the Ruth looking like it will never be affordable it's about as good as it gets for me.

[smtjoy]

Very tough card for sure, I do know one of the two PSA 5 was crossed to an SGC 60.

[griffon512]

of the people who have posted, how many own one? don and jesse own one. scott and steve, do you as well?

[Snapolit1]

I have 2. i think that's it unless I find one in the street somewhere.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by griffon512

of the people who have posted, how many own one? don and jesse own one. scott and steve, do you as well?

I used to own one.
I bought a raw NR MT one from Mastro in a telephone auction while in Jamaica a long time ago. It came back a 5 and then ended up in a 6 holder. Some years later, at the time, I got a world record price for it from dear old Hal.....I think I paid 2700 and got 10k for it. It was when I was still doing rookie HOF'ers...Great card....

[bcbgcbrcb]

Wow, Leon, didn't know that you ever collected rookie HOF'ers....

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Wow, Leon, didn't know that you ever collected rookie HOF'ers....

Or postcards!

[smtjoy]

Originally Posted by griffon512

of the people who have posted, how many own one? don and jesse own one. scott and steve, do you as well?

Yes I own one

[paul]

Does this mean my W590 Gehrig rookie will also skyrocket?

[familytoad]

I don't own one of the prized exhibits, but I have a pair of Type 2 York Caramel Lou Gehrig cards.
Often attributed to 1927, there is a solid argument to these actually being issued in 1928.
Could be the first standard sized "baseball card" for Lou.

*That is for purists who only collect *that * definition of a card, not the postcard sized Exhbits.

(I would absolutely agree that a card issued in 1925 should fetch more than a 1927 or 1928 though, and it does!)

I think the York Caramel has a big upside, it's pretty rare itself.
I guess the exhibit has far surpassed my budget , so it's my hope anyway!

[h2oya311]

I recall when everyone was freaking out about the $10,750 spent on an SGC 30 Gehrig in the November 2015 Heritage Auction. That very buyer bought my (then) 1923 Type I Press Photo that uses the same image used on the '25 Exhibit. I'm kicking myself a little for selling it, but money talks. Money would probably talk louder if selling that very photo in late 2016. Oh well!

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Whatever the exact population it's a card that rarely comes up. 35k for an SGC 2 certainly shattered previous sale records. But I think it's still a card with upside potential. For a HOF RC collector it's pretty cool to have a Gehrig RC. Especially with the Ruth looking like it will never be affordable it's about as good as it gets for me.

Can it be that some of our new investors are really getting knowledgeable about the hobby??? On a more serious note, yes, this is a (relatively) rare, tremendously significant card that will substantially appreciate over time. Wish I still had mine.

Best to all,

Larry

[Rhino]

Hey Guys, Just wanted to know what you think of the 1925 Exhibit Gehrig rookie? Do you think it is time to sell? I have one PSA 5 and with the recent auction showing 30K plus, may be good time. Any recommendation would be appreciated. Thanks Rhino

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Hey Guys, Just wanted to know what you think of the 1925 Exhibit Gehrig rookie? Do you think it is time to sell? I have one PSA 5 and with the recent auction showing 30K plus, may be good time. Any recommendation would be appreciated. Thanks Rhino

Hello new poster,
Yes, its a good time. There is a PSA 3 currently in auction and its at 44k, with 17 days left.
Partial Context from Auction Description:

Indeed, this rather scarce Gehrig gem virtually seemed to "slip through the cracks" until it finally made some extremely loud noise when an SGC 30/2 example fetched approximately $36K in an auction earlier this year. It now certainly appears that the Gehrig 1925 Exhibit rookie issue is ready to place its indelible mark on the hobby along with other inaugural issues, justifying why ##### is proud to present a superb PSA 3 example of this highly coveted keepsake. Atypical versus other star rookie cards, this inaugural Gehrig marvel is one of only 49 TOTAL specimens FOR ALL GRADES listed on the COMBINED PSA & SGC census reports; a truly sparse number compared to other high-end rookie cards. As an example, there are 32 PSA 8 1952 Topps Mantles that are now exceeding $500,000 in value, and one would expect that Lou Gehrig's rookie card in ANY GRADE should sell for at least "half" that amount considering there are only 17 additional examples for all grades versus the '52 Topps PSA 8 Mantle subject.

[Rhino]

Sorry for delay, just learning to navigate. So 45k now brings it to 60k conservatively. A psa5 in the 75k range...ish. Yes its far from the $$$ I paid in '94. Man, or do I sit on it a year and wait for one of these psycho spoiled new millennium generation investors to pay me ten ZILLION dollars.

[Rhino]

Oh, By the way. Thanks for the auction info.

[Donscards]

The PSA 3 Gehrig in Memory Lane auction is at 53K with the juice----there seems to be a lot of interest in the Gehrig the last few months---I think it is really shooting up---this auction should set the standard---I think all grades will be in high demand at next years National.

[orly57]

I am surprised no one has mentioned that it is rumored the population report on this card may actually be inflated due to psa mistakenly slabbing the very similar 1926 Gehrig in a 1925 holder. The tint on the two cards are different and Gehrig's name is in a box on the '25, but the rumor is some 26s ended up in '25 holders.
I own a rough psa 1, but I am glad I got it before it started sky-rocketing.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Donscards

The PSA 3 Gehrig in Memory Lane auction is at 53K with the juice----there seems to be a lot of interest in the Gehrig the last few months---I think it is really shooting up---this auction should set the standard---I think all grades will be in high demand at next years National.

I would be very careful about setting standard pricing on a sale or two. I think this card can be manipulated like the rest. I am not saying it is in the Goodwin auction but things have looked weird in auctions before. If I were in the market for buying one I would probably be cautious. I used to own a raw one that graded a 5 then bumped to a 6...many years back. Got it in a Mastro auction where they said it was NRMT. It wasn't but was still a great card.

[BeanTown]

When I was at the National, I saw this one in one of the Memory Lane showcases marked at 60k I believe. It was owned by an employee of Memory Lane I was told. Interesting that the Ebay listing has now got taken down which the asking price was 75k. Then a different one pops up in the Memory Lane auction with road rash on it and it received like 28 bids in the first couple of days. I bet the employee of Memory Lane is Very excited to see all that action on the lesser grade 25 Gehrig.

[BeanTown]

Current Memory Lane 25 Gehrig

[botn]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

When I was at the National, I saw this one in one of the Memory Lane showcases marked at 60k I believe. It was owned by an employee of Memory Lane I was told. Interesting that the Ebay listing has now got taken down which the asking price was 75k. Then a different one pops up in the Memory Lane auction with road rash on it and it received like 28 bids in the first couple of days. I bet the employee of Memory Lane is Very excited to see all that action on the lesser grade 25 Gehrig.

Huh? The ebay listing for the 4MK happens to have been my listing which I ended on 12/27. Nothing too interesting about my listing ending other than my decision to no longer offer the card for sale. Memory Lane's auction opened on 12/23 so their Gehrig did not just pop up after my ebay listing was ended.

[BeanTown]

Was your Gehrig 4MK on display in the Memory Lane booth at National? When I said popped up, I was referring to the the road rash Gehrig in the current Memory Lane auction. I know your 4MK Gehrig has been on Ebay for months as I was tracking it. It's a nice card. Now, If your 4MK Gehrig was not at the National being displayed, then I'm thinking of another different one.

[botn]

My 4MK is the only qualified 4 and no it was not at any National, ever. First time it was seen by the public was when I listed it on eBay.

[Rhino]

Would you guys go Auction, Ebay, or try to find a private buyer for my 1925 Gehrig PSA5? Of the Auction Houses, who are the better ones to deal with?

[Bicem]

Would do VERY well as a featured lot in the next Love of Game Auction.

[arcadekrazy]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Would you guys go Auction, Ebay, or try to find a private buyer for my 1925 Gehrig PSA5? Of the Auction Houses, who are the better ones to deal with?

In my experience, you will get the best price in one of the high end auction houses. They will take the time and effort to properly market your card

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Would you guys go Auction, Ebay, or try to find a private buyer for my 1925 Gehrig PSA5? Of the Auction Houses, who are the better ones to deal with?

With a PSA 5 Gehrig, no matter where you list the card, it will get a record price---how about showing us a scan--I would love to see your card--a very high grade---The highest I have seen is a 3

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by botn

My 4MK is the only qualified 4 and no it was not at any National, ever. First time it was seen by the public was when I listed it on eBay.

Ok great. Glad to know it's a different example. I thought it was the same card and y'all are both from California. I didnt recall the MK or no MK on the one at the National as it was a nice card. So, Memory Lane has one up for auction now, and then one of the employees has another personal one (which I saw at the National).

I think Orlando and I bought the last two 25 Gehrig cards that were listed on EBay within the last year not counting the one that was just pulled down from you.

To respond to the best way of selling these cards I would say to consign to an advertiser of the Net54 board and maybe work on receiving a part of the buyers fee back. I've used Heritage in the past and they even used one or two of my cards as their cover. Plus I've used PWCC. LOTG I will most likely try next as it's good to spread the consignments around. I believe most AHs all have pretty much the same mailing list and the coverage should be about the same.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by orly57

I am surprised no one has mentioned that it is rumored the population report on this card may actually be inflated due to psa mistakenly slabbing the very similar 1926 Gehrig in a 1925 holder. The tint on the two cards are different and Gehrig's name is in a box on the '25, but the rumor is some 26s ended up in '25 holders.
I own a rough psa 1, but I am glad I got it before it started sky-rocketing.

This is not a rumor. I have definitely seen some 1926 Gehrig's in 1925 holders for both PSA and SGC. You have to be careful as they look exactly the same except for the color tints. The 1925 version should be gray while the 1926 one is light blue. The 1926 card is actually much rarer than the 1925 one, but of course the 1925 one is selling for much higher prices these days. The strange thing about the Memory Lane one currently at auction is that it looks greenish colored, not sure that's due to the lighting or what.

For example, the card on the left looks like a proper 1925 Exhibits, but the one on the right looks light bluish, so probably a 1926 Exhibits. Again, it's possible that the color tint looks different when seeing in person, but everyone should be very careful.

[BeanTown]

Great examples of two killer cards! So, I guess today's lesson is to buy the card and not the holder?

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by glchen

This is not a rumor. I have definitely seen some 1926 Gehrig's in 1925 holders for both PSA and SGC. You have to be careful as they look exactly the same except for the color tints. The 1925 version should be gray while the 1926 one is light blue. The 1926 card is actually much rarer than the 1925 one, but of course the 1925 one is selling for much higher prices these days. The strange thing about the Memory Lane one currently at auction is that it looks greenish colored, not sure that's due to the lighting or what.

For example, the card on the left looks like a proper 1925 Exhibits, but the one on the right looks light bluish, so probably a 1926 Exhibits. Again, it's possible that the color tint looks different when seeing in person, but everyone should be very careful.

why would the presumption be that there were many more 1925 exhibits manufactured than 1926 exhibits for those with the white box both years (like the gehrig)?

wouldn't it be more likely that the manufacturing runs in both years were much more equal than what the pop reports reflect -- hardly any 1926 exhibits? the feedback i've heard is that even experienced graders find it difficult to distinguish between a '25 and '26 exhibit (e.g., scott mt. joy cited this in previous posts on this subject), meaning the tint distinction you are referring to is ambiguous in many instances...so graders likely defaulted over time to calling almost all exhibits over this 2 year period 1925 exhibits either out of ignorance that a 2 year manufacturing run existed or they were following the pop distribution.

the upshot is for those who think they have a gehrig rookie because that's what the flip says, it's up in the air whether they have a first year or second year issue. you can draw your own conclusions for the impact on the value of the card depending on whether you believe the two years can be clearly distinguished.

[orly57]

My 1925 is clearly black and white. And if the 26's have a bluish tint to them, as it has been espoused, I can tell you I own a 1926-29 Exhibits Gehrig Portrait which has an unmistakeable blue tint. If they used the same blue tint on the '26 exhibits as they did on the 26-29, this is extremely easy to distinguish in-hand. I say "in-hand," because in photos of the 26-29 gehrig pose the blue isn't very pronounced at all. It is very different story in-hand.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by griffon512

why would the presumption be that there were many more 1925 exhibits manufactured than 1926 exhibits for those with the white box both years (like the gehrig)?

wouldn't it be more likely that the manufacturing runs in both years were much more equal than what the pop reports reflect -- hardly any 1926 exhibits? the feedback i've heard is that even experienced graders find it difficult to distinguish between a '25 and '26 exhibit (e.g., scott mt. joy cited this in previous posts on this subject), meaning the tint distinction you are referring to is ambiguous in many instances...so graders likely defaulted over time to calling almost all exhibits over this 2 year period 1925 exhibits either out of ignorance that a 2 year manufacturing run existed or they were following the pop distribution.

the upshot is for those who think they have a gehrig rookie because that's what the flip says, it's up in the air whether they have a first year or second year issue. you can draw your own conclusions for the impact on the value of the card depending on whether you believe the two years can be clearly distinguished.

James, take a look at this thread: Link.

Although some players in the 1926 Exhibits set can only be distinguished from their 1925 counterparts by color tint (e.g., Gehrig, Ruth), others can be more easily catalogued because of "box" vs "no box." Even for these players which have the easily distinguishable "no box," the population reports consistently show fewer 1926 Exhibits compared to the same player for 1925.

[griffon512]

that's helpful, thx Gary

[smtjoy]

As Gary said the 1926 set is many times harder. IMO the 1926 standard set was cut short because of the popularity of the 1926-29 PC set, this short print makes it the toughest exhibit set to complete (the 1933 set is close just has a lot less cards needed).

Also the 26 blue is very different than the color used on the 1926-29 PC exhibits, examples below-

Examples-

1925

1926

1926-29 Blue

[BeanTown]

Scott, great examples and thanks for sharing. So, it sounds like you cant go wrong with either the 1925 or 1926 Gehrig exhibit. Reminds me of Mantle rookies. 1951 Bowman vs 1952 Topps.

[botn]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Reminds me of Mantle rookies. 1951 Bowman vs 1952 Topps.

Ummmm...no. 51 and 52 Mantles were issued by different companies. 25 and 26 Exhibit Gehrigs were issued by the same company, which is like a 54 Topps Aaron and a 55 Topps Aaron.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by botn

Ummmm...no. 51 and 52 Mantles were issued by different companies. 25 and 26 Exhibit Gehrigs were issued by the same company, which is like a 54 Topps Aaron and a 55 Topps Aaron.

Ummmmm no? 1952 Topps Mantle was a SP as was the 1926 Exhibit Gehrig. So both the 1925 Gehrig and the 1951 Bowman Mantle were produced more than their counterparts in the 1926 Exhibit Gehrig and the 1952 Topps Mantle.

Rarity doesn't always equal to more valuable though. Don't want to get off topic though.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Ummmmm no? 1952 Topps Mantle was a SP as was the 1926 Exhibit Gehrig. So both the 1925 Gehrig and the 1951 Bowman Mantle were produced more than their counterparts in the 1926 Exhibit Gehrig and the 1952 Topps Mantle.

Rarity doesn't always equal to more valuable though. Don't want to get off topic though.

1952 Topps Mantle was a DP, hence Type 1 and Type 2

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

1952 Topps Mantle was a DP, hence Type 1 and Type 2

Yes true. Plus there are rumors it could be a triple print.