Is this/these a 1910 E-UNC and if real?

[pawpawdiv9]

I done some research beforehand. Of course most times it took me to the net54 archives-LOL! The image from e-98. Most likely looks like the 1910 E-unc, but all i seen are the red versions/blue
As for real? Looks good to me as per staining and wear, but im no expert on these. The few i seen are cut on the borders, this has some extra space outside Cobb, thinking some sort of panel. I seen some with or without the basepath/diamonds.
I have asked Leon with some advice beforehand, but its near the 1k mark and too much of a gamble i am not sure about, especially the notation from his dad and etc.
Tho, he does have a Matthewson Red version, which seems legit and others i seen are also red.
I just have not seen this blackish-blue version anywhere.
I did bid a few times..but maybe someone here is getting it/them.
Heres the pics



BACK:


THE MATTHEWSON:


the back:

[chipperhank44]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it generally frowned upon to out an active auction item on this forum? It's one thing to post if you know it's a fake, but I'm sure there are people bidding on these items who don't appreciate the added publicity.

[Bigb13]

Wow with only 30 mins left

[pencil1974]

Yeah I know I've been bid up like crazy after this started... oh well..

[Leon]

well that was fun....I had no interest and didn't bid..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-034-...p2047675.l2557

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[pencil1974]

And got kicked at the end. Well guess there is the Mathewson still.

[Exhibitman]

looks like it is from the cover of a game.

[pencil1974]

It's a 1910 E-UNC its from a candy box from what I know. Less than 10 between PSA & SGC. There are nicer examples for sure but they don't come around very often.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Yeah I know I've been bid up like crazy after this started... oh well..

precisely why this practice is frowned upon.

[Koufax32fan]

Forgive me for taking this on a tangent, but why is it frowned upon to "out" an auction? For every bidder/winner who is "hurt" a seller/consigner gets a benefit. And that seller/consigner may very well be an active and helpful participant on this board. And, the more exposure each rare item gets on this board means that more collectors who may have an interest in it have a chance to learn about it and perhaps even bid on it. And, then there is a truer sense of the value of the item as more of the "market" will have had a chance to value it with bids. Maybe I am just missing something.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Koufax32fan

Forgive me for taking this on a tangent, but why is it frowned upon to "out" an auction? For every bidder/winner who is "hurt" a seller/consigner gets a benefit. And that seller/consigner may very well be an active and helpful participant on this board. And, the more exposure each rare item gets on this board means that more collectors who may have an interest in it have a chance to learn about it and perhaps even bid on it. And, then there is a truer sense of the value of the item as more of the "market" will have had a chance to value it with bids. Maybe I am just missing something.

You won't feel the same way when the item is something that you're interested in.

Marketing is a job for the auction house, consignor, or seller.

[autograf]

In the past, it's generally only applied to eBay items........most everyone knows that Sterling, Love of the Game, etc are having an auction, so there's never been any big deal when people discuss those items before or during an auction. I see both sides of the road on it because people spend TONS of time searching items with all kinds of obscure search terms and everyone likes a bargain. Seller's also want to maximize their return. I agree with the sentiment that marketing (and RESEARCH) is the job of the person selling the item though. Case in point......the McKinley card that recently sold at REA that originally sold for $9.99 on eBay.

[pencil1974]

I would say it's wrong because it's free advertising to the seller/consigner, and that being the case you would be taking food off Leon's table or from his dogs and that's not good.

Also I think it would skew the market the same way if no one saw it as you may have people firing away just because they want a rare piece that they normally wouldn't have seen. So you can't call that true "market" value.

Plus the the idea getting a rare card that not many knew about is why we search eBay for hours and hours looking for that type of find.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

I would say it's wrong because it's free advertising to the seller/consigner, and that being the case you would be taking food off Leon's table or from his dogs and that's not good.

Also I think it would skew the market the same way if no one saw it as you may have people firing away just because they want a rare piece that they normally wouldn't have seen. So you can't call that true "market" value.

Plus the the idea getting a rare card that not many knew about is why we search eBay for hours and hours looking for that type of find.

To be clear I think this whole discussion is concerning outing OTHER people's auctions. Spamming your own auction on the front page will get you banned or in trouble. (or wishing you were banned when members find out). Thanks for thinking of my doggies too. They are doing very well.

[pencil1974]

Originally Posted by Leon

To be clear I think this whole discussion is concerning outing OTHER people's auctions. Spamming your own auction on the front page will get you banned or in trouble. (or wishing you were banned when members find out). Thanks for thinking of my doggies too. They are doing very well.

"And that seller/consigner may very well be an active and helpful participant on this board."

I was replying to this part of what he was saying since it can be others or it could be "a friend" spamming someone else's for them. Do I think it happened in this case, no probably not but I think its one of the main reasons auctions should not be outed before they are done because it could happen. I think its fine if you want to ask through PM's or if you don't know enough or didn't do the research then don't bid. Just my two cents.

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by Koufax32fan

Forgive me for taking this on a tangent, but why is it frowned upon to "out" an auction? For every bidder/winner who is "hurt" a seller/consigner gets a benefit. And that seller/consigner may very well be an active and helpful participant on this board.

Board members have the ability to advertise their ebay items in the BST on the "Ebay & Other Auction Announcement" section. So we have our "active and helpful participants" covered....

[pawpawdiv9]

Reply- i wasnt trying to intend to 'out' the auction, i was trying to gather more info on them beforehand. I infact PM'ed Leon, to see if i get a response, as i dont know many pre-war guys. I did place 2 bids on it, and easily there was a duel already in place beforehand.
I did not mention a auction house or where it was from, just took a stab they were indeed real, since i saw the Matty with it, just needed approval from someone with more knowledge.
Sorry for any inconviences.

[vintagehofrookies]

does anyone know exactly how rare that Cobb actually is outside of the pop reports?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Reply- i wasnt trying to intend to 'out' the auction, i was trying to gather more info on them beforehand. I infact PM'ed Leon, to see if i get a response, as i dont know many pre-war guys. I did place 2 bids on it, and easily there was a duel already in place beforehand.
I did not mention a auction house or where it was from, just took a stab they were indeed real, since i saw the Matty with it, just needed approval from someone with more knowledge.
Sorry for any inconviences.

And after I answered your PM I saw this thread already posted. No worries, that card was going to sell where it should have anyway (most likely).

As for rarity, hard to say. As I told a few folks, if I were to get one I would want one with the diamond tabs on each side. I have seen about 2-3 of those and about 2-3x that many without the tabs (as these are on ebay).

[vintagehofrookies]

Only 10 copies of the Cobb is pretty rare. Do you think all the cards from this set have the same rarity?

[canjond]

So how many are in this set; I at least know there's a Cobb, Mathewson and Evers now.

[Bob Lemke]

Eddie Collins, "Honus" Wagner and Cy Young (photo actually Irv Young) are also checklisted in the Standard Catalog.