Remarkbale Find, only 38 years ago

[Yankeefan51]

One of the great pleasures about the hobby is to collect and read early hobby publications, Our publication collection dates back to the early 1930's.

One of my favorites was The Trader Speaks. The articles written by early hobby legends such as Frank Nagy, Wirt Gammon, Goody Goldwin and Bob Richardson remain as valuable today as they were at the time of publication

The lead story in the January 1975 issues of The Trader Speaks was authored by another legendary collector, Dr. Robert Weisberg

Weisberg puchased a set 17 H 801-7 Old Mill Cabinets. They cards were in outstanding condition. In the past 25 years, I can recall seeing only three H801-7 for sale.

Should anyone wish a copy of this invaluable piece of hobby history, please write to me directly bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

[barrysloate]

In thirty years in the hobby I had maybe two H801-7's. They are really rare indeed.

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

One of the great pleasures about the hobby is to collect and read early hobby publications, Our publication collection dates back to the early 1930's.

One of my favorites was The Trader Speaks. The articles written by early hobby legends such as Frank Nagy, Wirt Gammon, Goody Goldwin and Bob Richardson remain as valuable today as they were at the time of publication

The lead story in the January 1975 issues of The Trader Speaks was authored by another legendary collector, Dr. Robert Weisberg

Weisberg puchased a set 17 H 801-7 Old Mill Cabinets. They cards were in outstanding condition. In the past 25 years, I can recall seeing only three H801-7 for sale.

Should anyone wish a copy of this invaluable piece of hobby history, please write to me directly bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

Very cool...would you be averse to posting it for all to see? Thanks...Matt

[Leon]

They are indeed rare. Steve Verkman auctioned a grouping of 19 of them in late 2010. best regards

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Leon

Steve Verkman auctioned a grouping of 19 of them in late 2010.

Verkman not breaking up that lot was one of the more dipshitty things that have gone down in this illustrious hobby of ours, as far as I'm concerned anyway. I would have loved a shot at one or two of the nineteen.

I have one.
I want more.


Kawika = David McDonald

[Runscott]

There's another of looking at it - perhaps Verkman felt that the cards should stay together and that if someone wanted to break them up, it wasn't going to be him. I know a lot of rare cabinet sets have been sold as groups, for that reason.

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Runscott

There's another of looking at it - perhaps Verkman felt that the cards should stay together and that if someone wanted to break them up, it wasn't going to be him. I know a lot of rare cabinet sets have been sold as groups, for that reason.

Didn't mean to lay the fault specifically at Verkman's feet. It might have been at the consignor's request. Either way it sucked for the little guy.

[e107collector]

Is it safe to assume that there is no known Joe Jackson Old Mill Cabinet?

It would be a very nice piece if it did exist.

Tony

[oaks1912]

Bruce...I'll take the liberty of expanding on one critical part of Robert Weisberg's article that has not been shared with the public in more than 38 years. How they were distributed. According to Weisberg's article, he acquired a large group from a man who grew up in Richmond , Virginia, and had collected them as a youth. According to the original collector, one large card was included in each shipping case of Old Mill cigarettes, he recalls 60 packs to the case. He surmised that most were probably thrown out by store owners when the cases were opened. In this specific collection, 17 cards were included, all of which were from the Virginia League. By the time Lew Lipset compiled research for his 20th Century Tobacco card Encyclopedia, less than a decade later, the checklist had expanded to 28 players and some of those being from other series (beyond Virginia League). A quick glance at a recent SCD checklist shows 37 currently documented. Another factor is that some of the subjects in the "Cabinet" checklist are not known as insert cards in the T-210 issue. Any speculation as to which players / series were included is just that ; speculation. The cards are quite difficult to find, but more than one collector has multiple examples in their collection.

[uffda51]

[Piratedogcardshows]

I absolutely love these Cabinet Cards.I hope to acquire a Richmond Colt example one day.Great cards everyone especially the Wingo.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Verkman not breaking up that lot was one of the more dipshitty things that have gone down in this illustrious hobby of ours, as far as I'm concerned anyway. I would have loved a shot at one or two of the nineteen.

I have one.
I want more.


Kawika = David McDonald

David:

On the other hand, I have been told by more than one person when Lew Lipset auctioned off those Chickering Cabinets ini one of his auctions, he left a lot of money on the table by breaking up the lot in the way you wanted.

Most auctioneers believe that the bigger the lot is the better off the consigner is. While I do not like that concept personally; perhaps in this case the "sum totatl version each one individually" option would have worked. But I happen to belive Verkman was on point on how he handled this lot.

Rich

[Vintagecatcher]

Thanks for posting David. Nice to see that the Wingo went to a good home. I had never seen the companion T210 until you posted your Wingo T210. His pose and glove remind me of a crab.

Here is my catcher OMC. It's companion T210 was the first T210 I ever owned.


Patrick

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Verkman not breaking up that lot was one of the more dipshitty things that have gone down in this illustrious hobby of ours, as far as I'm concerned anyway. I would have loved a shot at one or two of the nineteen.

I have one.
I want more.


Kawika = David McDonald

Wouldn't this have been done at request of seller?

Z Wheat