Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?

[tedzan]

Hey guy and gals....Does anyone have a Red HINDU or a UZIT....T206 red Cobb....to report here ? ?


UPDATED upon request to include Red Cobb new inputs from 5/26 to 6/26 across all the 30 T-advertising backs











Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/26/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/26/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..8....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
21....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
15....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

52....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
20....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 266 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Maybe I missed it in the thread but why is there no AB 460 possible?

Also, Is it possible that the Piedmont 42's, were printed on one or sheet with the Cobb double or triple printed? This would explain why there is so many. If there was 2 different print runs (350/460 and 460 only) and they were double printed this would actually make a 4 to 1 ratio on them.

Lee

[tedzan]

Re..P460/42, in prior post here I noted that I strongly feel that the Red Cobb was doubled-printed with this back.

Re..AB 460
None of the 6 super-prints (of which the Red Cobb is one) are found with the AB 460 back. These 6 cards were first
printed in the 350-only Series with the AB 350 (Frame) back. Subsequently, Amer. Litho. extended these 6 subjects
into the 460 Series.

Since they were initially printed with the AB 350 (Frame) back, they cannot exist with an AB 350 (No Frame) nor an
AB 460 (No Frame) backs.

TED Z

[rman444]

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/169.html

[sando69]

wow... an increase of 49 inputs in just one month!
you must have been scouring ebay for data.
thanks again for all the work you have done on this and for sharing it with us.
personally, i just love this thread!
noticed that the total number of polar bear subjects has been reduced by 4, to 20...
if this is accurate, would those numbers not suggest that p350 & sc 350/30 do, in fact, deserve their own "easiest" category, and that polar bear should be included with the "easier" backs that exhibit similar totals?

[jmk59]

Straight from the orchard where they grow these things, I would like to report a Red Cobb with SC 350/30. Sorry nothing more exotic. Maybe some unknown owner will ring in from Timbuktu with an Uzit.

J

[camlov2]

I have seen a handful of threads regarding certain cards and their backs....

one question, Does it make sense to count cards that the owner no longer has?
Couldn't these cards have been passed to another Net54 member and be counted twice?

I am new to the boards so I don't know how much turnover there might be within the group.

[tedzan]

Thanks for catching the POLAR BEAR discrepancy. There were 5 new Red Cobb's with the PB back in the latest tally,
which raised the total to 29. I must have typed the "0" key instead of the "9" key when I inputted this data.

The easiest ones........UPDATED 6/28/09

53....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR



TED Z

[tedzan]

Thanks for your input of the Sweet Caporal 350/30

My guess is that Peter Lorre or Sidney Greenstreet from Casablanca will chime in with that elusive UZIT back.
Until then........





Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....

[tedzan]

You asked......
"Couldn't these cards have been passed to another Net54 member and be counted twice?"

I have diligently taken measures to avoid any double-counting of Red Cobb's. Therefore, I am 99% certain
that this has not occurred in this survey.

But, if I'm off by 1% here....that amounts to only 2.6 cards that have been double-counted. I consider this
an acceptable margin of error.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guy and gals....Does anyone have a Red HINDU or a UZIT....T206 red Cobb....to report here ? ?


UPDATED upon request to include Red Cobb new inputs from 5/26 to 6/26 across all the 30 T-advertising backs











Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/28/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/28/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..8....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
21....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
15....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

53....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 266 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[BobbyVCP]

Just wanted to let you know that at VCP we have added more back sets to track. Before listed as a common back but now has it's own set are..

American Beauty Frame
American Beauty No Frame
EPDG
Polar Bear
Old Mill
Soveriegn
Tolstoi

Right now all live listings are showing up under the new sets. We are in the process of moving the historical data from the old listing and sorting and sending it to the correct place.

I think there should be good information for you to use.

[tedzan]

....is the first Victory Cobb and it has been tallied.

Thanks Jim,

TED Z

[sando69]

this will be extremely helpful!
the sole suggestion i would add, would be to split sovereign into two separate backs, 350 and 460, as you have already done with cycle.

[BobbyVCP]

I would agree and wanted to break up the sovereign backs but it is not designated on the slabs. And there are more sovereign back for sale online then any of the others. And lastly there is just to many times that the seller does not post an image of the back to reference.

[tedzan]

I appreciate what you are saying about many of the slabbed or un-slabbed Sovereign cards that appear on ebay. Obviously,
the only Graded Co. that you can tell which Series a Sovereign card is in (from the front), is an SGC graded one.

The way around this dilemma is to simply cross-check the given T206 card with the 48 Subjects listed in the 460-only series.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is a Sovereign 460. There are 2 No-Prints....Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chi & Bos)
were never printed with Sovereign 460 backs. So, to begin with, there are 46 Sovereign's in the 460 series.

Furthermore, the grand total of cards that were printed with Sovereign 460 backs are....52 = 46 (460-only) + 6 Super-Prints

Mark is correct that the Sovereign 460 cards are considerably tougher than the other 355 cards (150 & 350 series) in this set.
And, the 6 super-prints are extremely tough to find with the Sovereign 460 back.


TED Z

[sando69]

do you find it as amusing as i, that discussing the relative scarcity of the red cobb sovereign 460 back, is exactly how this thread (or it's immediate predecessor) originated?

[tedzan]

You asked......
"do you find it as amusing as I, that discussing the relative scarcity of the red cobb sovereign 460 back,
is exactly how this thread originated?"

Actually, I find it AMAZING....back in February, you and I were discussing the relative scarcity of the Red
Cobb with a Sovereign 460 back. And, now look where we have arrived in this thread......truly amazing !

Unraveling the mysteries of The Monster is what it's all about.....thanks to everyone who participated.


Thanks again, ole buddy

T-Rex TED

[sando69]

now look where we have arrived in this thread......
Unraveling the mysteries of The Monster is what it's all about

ted-
i could not agree more!
and, what an entertaining journey it is!
btw- i can confirm (thanks to bb card exchange) that the sovereign that sold tonite on ebay with no back scan (gai 3) is also a 350.

[tedzan]

"And, the beat goes on"......

Nine more Red Cobb inputs will be tallied later today.


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

These three T206 backs have yet to be confirmed......anyone here have any of these ?

BROAD LEAF 350

Red HINDU

UZIT


NOTE......The Red Cobb was not printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back.

__________________________________________________ _________________________










Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/30/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/30/09

Scarcest group......

..0....BROAD LEAF 350
..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..2....DRUM
..3....EPDG
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..0....UZIT


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
..1....CYCLE 350
..9....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
22....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
17....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

57....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
48....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 275 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



T-Rex TED

[Rob D.]

Ted,

Not sure if this is the type of confirmation you're seeking. From REA's 2009 auction:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/169.html

[tedzan]

Rob D

You are the 4th post regarding this particular Cobb. And, I will repeat my prior response......

I have been aware of this particular Red HINDU Cobb; however, there have been some questions raised about this
card by two veteran T206 collectors.

I'm waiting for a 2nd red Cobb with a Red HINDU back to emerge, before I'm confident about this F/B combination.


Four of the 6 super-prints have been confirmed with Red HINDU backs (Chance, both Chase's, and Evers). But, the
Red Cobb and Matty (dark cap) have not been confirmed with Red HINDU backs.



TED Z

[Rob D.]

Sorry, TED.

Next time I'll make sure to READ THROUGH all 170-plus previous posts.

My bad.

[tedzan]

You noted......
"I can confirm (thanks to bb card exchange) that the sovereign that sold tonite on ebay with no back scan (gai 3) is also a 350."

Thanks for checking out that Sovereign Cobb. I noticed it on ebay, and was curious as to what Series back it had. I have added
it to the tally.

Indeed, the Sovereign 460 red Cobb is extremely tough to find. I have found that the 5 other Super-Prints (Chance, both Chase's,
Evers and Mathewson) with the Sovereign 460 back, while tough to find, are more available than the Cobb.

I'm not sure I understand this ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

These three T206 backs have yet to be confirmed......anyone here have any of these ?

BROAD LEAF 350

Red HINDU

UZIT


NOTE......The Red Cobb was not printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back.

__________________________________________________ _________________________










Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....7/2/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....7/2/09

Scarcest group......

..0....BROAD LEAF 350
..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..2....DRUM
..3....EPDG
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..0....UZIT


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
..1....CYCLE 350
..9....SOVEREIGN 350
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..7....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
10....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

22....OLD MILL
25....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
17....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

60....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
49....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR


Thanks to Net54 readers for providing their inputs. With these and several new listings on ebay,
we now have a T206 total of 289 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

OK folks, final update on this survey. I'm reprising this survey for those new members who have not seen it;
and, for all that might be interested in this most popular white-bordered Tobacco card.

Twelve new Red Cobb's have been reported to bring this survey up to 301 samples of the T206 red Cobb. A
new PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 input is included....we now have tallied 13 unique inputs of this rare back.


__________________________________________________ _________________________

These three T206 backs have yet to be confirmed......anyone here have any of these ?

BROAD LEAF 350

Red HINDU

UZIT


NOTE......The Red Cobb was NOT printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back.

__________________________________________________ _________________________










Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....7/13/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....7/13/09

Scarcest group......

..0....BROAD LEAF 350
..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..2....DRUM
..3....EPDG
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
13....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..0....UZIT


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
..1....CYCLE 350
..9....SOVEREIGN 350
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..8....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..3....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
10....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

22....OLD MILL
27....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
17....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

62....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
51....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
31....POLAR BEAR


Thanks to Net54 readers for providing their inputs. With these and several new listings on ebay,
we now have a T206 total of 301 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



T-Rex TED